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| Quote ="JonB95"Bet you loved the England game today
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"No tries - what a surprise.
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| There was one point in the game where England were on Italys line and had about six attackers against three Italian defenders and still couldn't score.
If England were renowned for their flair and attacking rugby I would be more inclined to watch them regularly. Instead whenever I do I'm always left wondering why I bothered.
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| Basically, this weekend is a last hurrah for Welsh rugby before it slides down the waste disposal chute and into the bin.
The regions are haemorraging cash at a level that simply isn't sustainable. Their survival will be at the expense of their best players moving into England or France and them ceasing to be competitive at Heineken Cup or Pro12 level.
Only the national team provides them with a glimmer of hope at the moment. A loss to England, particularly if it happens to be a poor performance, will drive another nail into the coffin of Wales as a rugby power.
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[iNow, rugby is not to everybody's taste. It's dull, plodding and the laws are unfathomable, say the cynics, who contrast it unfavourably with the flowing, relatively straightforward game of football. And in some ways those critics are right. But they are missing the point that rugby is sport at its purest because, in reality, all sport is boring. It's a tribal rite, not an aesthetic exercise, and no sport does tribalism better than rugby.[/i
[iif you treat it purely as an aesthetic form, rugby is unwatchable. The ball disappears under a heap of bodies for long periods; the scrums are endlessly set and reset as referees struggle to impose discipline; and no one really understands the rules, which makes the giving of penalties a lottery. A game lasts 80 minutes, and if 5% of that is made up of running rugby you're doing well. The rest will be scrums, mauls, punch-ups and a small man squatting over the ball for minutes on end as he lines up a kick at goal which has resulted from some alleged offence no one can understand in the first place.[/i
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[iNow, rugby is not to everybody's taste. It's dull, plodding and the laws are unfathomable, say the cynics, who contrast it unfavourably with the flowing, relatively straightforward game of football. And in some ways those critics are right. But they are missing the point that rugby is sport at its purest because, in reality, all sport is boring. It's a tribal rite, not an aesthetic exercise, and no sport does tribalism better than rugby.[/i
[iif you treat it purely as an aesthetic form, rugby is unwatchable. The ball disappears under a heap of bodies for long periods; the scrums are endlessly set and reset as referees struggle to impose discipline; and no one really understands the rules, which makes the giving of penalties a lottery. A game lasts 80 minutes, and if 5% of that is made up of running rugby you're doing well. The rest will be scrums, mauls, punch-ups and a small man squatting over the ball for minutes on end as he lines up a kick at goal which has resulted from some alleged offence no one can understand in the first place.[/i
Still far too complimentary in my view.
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| The funniest thing is, the author writes for Wisden.
So he's used to sitting in a stadium for five consecutive days watching a game that still might not have a positive result to it.
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| Quote ="JonB95"New 6 Nations record today - most penalty goals in one game (12).
And I stand by what I said the other week - Scotland are the most technically inept rugby team I've seen.'"
Scrap that - this 2013 Ireland team are even WORSE. Italy have not exactly progressed since last year, so today's result speaks volumes.
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| Quote ="JonB95"Scrap that - this 2013 Ireland team are even WORSE. Italy have not exactly progressed since last year, so today's result speaks volumes.'"
TBF Ireland had 10 of their first 15 out injured today.
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| England collapse under pressure yet again.....and no tries scored...For 2 games on the bounce and 3 out of 5 games.
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| 1 try for England in the last 4 games... on that basis alone Wales deserved it. So much for the new coaching team bringing positive rugby.
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| They've got a ru phone in on 5live now and one of the 1st callers is a knob who said the reason for Englands defeat is league players going to ru and not tackling properly the fact that there was only Ashton in the team who started in rl makes the statement laughable.
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| England are dire in attack.
With such as Ashton, the Young brothers and a host of fatties that can't scrum they will win nothing.
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| Quote ="DAR130"They've got a ru phone in on 5live now and one of the 1st callers is a knob who said the reason for Englands defeat is league players going to ru and not tackling properly
the fact that there was only Ashton in the team who started in rl makes the statement laughable.'"
But Ashton can't tackle. He's making a fool of himself. Needs to get a proper job.
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| Quote ="Dally"But Ashton can't tackle. He's making a fool of himself. Needs to get a proper job.'"
That is why he was no loss to RL and Wigan were happy to let him go
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"That is why he was no loss to RL and Wigan were happy to let him go'"
Exactly. At Wigan he got found by opposition coaches as soon as he broke into Wigan's 1st team and got targeted.
That its taken,what 4 years?, for the union supporters and experts to have suddenly discovered he can't defend is laughable...i thought it is supposed to be be the more intelligent code of rugby?
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| Ashton was a fine attacking player though, especially from fullback. He seems to have gone rapidly downhill in that aspect too.
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| Quote Jon B95 wroteScrap that - this 2013 Ireland team are even WORSE. Italy have not exactly progressed since last year, so today's result speaks volumes'"
This is a list of Irish players missing
Fergus McFadden and Eoin Reddan Paul O'Connell, Tommy Bowe and Stephen Ferris Simon Zebo, Gordon D'Arcy, Chris Henry, Craig Gilroy and Jonathan Sexton Darren Cave, and Dave McSharry and then during the game they lost Keith Earls and Luke Marshall and Luke Fitzgerald
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| Fair point about Ireland, wasn't aware of that. Then again, even when Italy's talisman Parisse was sin binned, they never looked like doing anything.
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| Quote ="DAR130"They've got a ru phone in on 5live now and one of the 1st callers is a knob who said the reason for Englands defeat is league players going to ru and not tackling properly
the fact that there was only Ashton in the team who started in rl makes the statement laughable.'"
It's odd isn't it- he was their hero five minutes ago, and they were lauding him as some kind of bizarre proof that RL players have to move to fulfil their rugby potential.
As for tackling- he's not a magnificent tackler, but then in their amazing world where every body type apparently has their place in the team because everyone is allegedly a specialist, you'd think the rest of them could do it. Especially with two extra players knocking about.
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| Quote ="DAR130"They've got a ru phone in on 5live now and one of the 1st callers is a knob who said the reason for Englands defeat is league players going to ru and not tackling properly
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| He will probably end up at Rochdale Hornets then.
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| Nice to see England have reacted to their defeat with the usual level of humility. Clearly playing like they did they would have won under any other referee
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| Why does it not surprise me. Building up to the game there was the usual hyperbole about England's new generation & how Lancaster had turned them around blah blah blah. It was the day after the game before I actually heard they had got beat. It was as if there was a news blackout.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Why does it not surprise me. Building up to the game there was the usual hyperbole about England's new generation & how Lancaster had turned them around blah blah blah. It was the day after the game before I actually heard they had got beat. It was as if there was a news blackout.'"
Weird wasn't it? Other than to suggest that it was actually positive because Owen Farrell will learn from it all or some such guff.
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| Nice to see that the bosses at Old Trafford have had a change of heart over allowing yawnion WC games to be staged there
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