as you were...

Nice to see Catalancs back, I thought he was banned.


But yeah, wouldn't quite call it a crisis, but certainly worrying times. A crisis is Newcastle, we're not that bad.

Troubling though pal. 1 result could turn it round look at the united fans now there all happy saying how good they are now they got over the fact they lost too burnley

. Just lack ideas in midfeild looks like rafa will have to spend some more money

I was on the end of no end of stick and abuse from those (ahem) 'cheeky' scousers. Which is what makes a 3-1 home loss to Villa and 2 losses from 3 games all the funnier.

Can't speak for you personally but if the rest of your bin-dipping mob can't take it, they shouldn't give it.

Once more,

at the scousers.

United were fine against Burnley, just one of those days.

Were my eyes decieving me when I seen Benitez having a moan at the 4th official? He wouldn't be hypocritical would he?

This is the SSN generation, you're doomed, doooomed I tell ya, just like Man Utd were after Burnley, only twice as bad.

didnt see that coming

losing 3-1 to villa at home

Only three more points than Bolton and we have a game in hand.

Not likely to win it though.

it was very clear that the fans and some of the players were totally frustrated last night!! liverPOO's passing was awful! villa played very well with sidwell&petrov doing a fine job in midfield and davis&cueller(sp) having great games at the back and along with agbonglahor and young always a threat. and as good as a player he is torres is one of the biggest moaners i've ever seen

he never shut up all through the game! and along with his compatriots reina(who was calling the ref a 'f*****g w@.n.k.e.r) when he gave a corner(which it was) leading to davis's goal on half time. and benitez who started moaning at the 4th official

the frustration that was apparent from some of the players(and manager) and then transfered to the fans made the 'reds' play the way they did i.m.o i cant remember the last time i've seen them pass so badly....

watching it on lfc.tv now shocking defence

If you take the same three Liverpool fixtures from last year they got four points, now they have three. So in effect they are only one point worse off than last year. The crunch will be can they put a run together and can they do the double over Chelsea and Utd again?

According to reports Anderson is on his way out at Utd, that would be a huge blow!

A few worrying aspects last night. 5 goals conceded this season, 4 from set pieces. Playing with 2 defensive midfielders at home is criminal as well. LUcas has hopefully played himself out of the starting XI now until Aquilani is fit. He was good in preseason and decent agaisnt Spurs and Stoke but he was abject last night. We need Gerrard to drop back and play Benayoun off Torres with Riera coming onto the left.

Villa were superb last night though and I was extremely impressed by Cuellar in particular. A great counter attacking display and what we would give for the threat from Young and Milner down the flanks.

we look died going forward

cant we play 4-3-1-2

gerrard

kuyt and torres

Villa were not superb at all, they were very average.

The most glaring facet of the game is Liverpool's inability to adapt. Sure, when their tales are up, Kuyt, Benayoun, Johnson, Insua, Lucas and the lot can be good players.

But in the face of adversity, we lack the ability to claw our way back it seems.

The amount of times Lucas and Mascherano were sat in their own half when we were chasing the game defied belief.

I fear that Liverpool have been found out this season. We have no plan B when the 4 2 3 1 isn't working.

Hopefully the start to the season will force their tight Yanks into giving Rafa more cash to play with.



To be honest, we're pretty stuck when it comes to personnel. But, we definately need Riera back in on the left to provide us with some width.

If Rafa is going to persevere with Lucas, I think he and Gerrard have to swap around. Not many know this, but he actually prefers the position Gerrard plays in. Gerrard will be equally at home in the middle.

But, I'd go with this team for Bolton.


-------------Reina---------

Johnson Skrtel Carra Dossena / Insua

---Mascherano-- Gerrard

Kuyt----Benayoun------ Riera

----------Torres-----

What I don't understand is we dealt with the ones against stoke and they must have had 3 times more corners and free kicks than villa.

One thing they did point out on the radio last night was that nearly all of Liverpool's width this season has come from Johnson at right-back. He was taken up looking after Ashley Young last night, hence the lack of width which caused the problems. Now, I didn't see the game, but does that sound plausible?

It also gives merit to a story I heard a year or so back, that in modern football the full-backs are right up there as the most important people on the pitch.

So you'd put Steven Gerrard, one of Liverpool's best 2 attacking players and scorer of some of the most important goals in club history, sitting in front of a back 4...against Bolton Wanderers?

Riiiiiight....

If we get anything out of the fixture I will be gobsmacked. On current form Liverpool will only need to score once.

Johnson got forward well, but he had nobody there to give him service. Almost every time the ball went out to the right and Kuyt got it, his first touch was 5 yards in-field, his second was to pass it back to Mascha. It just doesn't allow us to build pressure when every winger cuts in and has no invention. Benayoun is so much better on the right, at the back end of last year he was one of our best players, all because Rafa woke up and decided Benny would be better there than Kuyt.

I'm really annoyed Nemeth's out on loan, although he's not played for the first team yet, I already believe he'd be a better partner to Torres than Kuyt or Voronin, if he drops Gerrard deeper, that is.

It's useless playing Gerrard in the hole if neither midfielder is going to give it to him with time and space. That was what Alonso done so well, it really doesn't seem that hard but Lucas' inability to play at a high tempo is worrying.

Wouldn't be suprised if we smack bolton for 6 on saturday.

Dont think theres any chance of that more than likely the other way round. You cqan have Benjani off us if you want??

They were superb at achieveing a result no other team has managed in a Premier League game since 2007.

He does need to play deeper at the moment as there is nothing coming from the middle of the park. I don't think the OP was advocating him playing in the same role as Mascherano, even though his formation looks that way.

---------------Reina--------------------

Johnson Carragher Skrtel Insua (Absolutely no way Dossena should play)

--------------Mascherano-------------

Kuyt ----------Gerrard-------------Riera

---------------Benayoun----------------

-----------------Torres--------------

Would be my prefered line up