No, and based on the supporters I have spoken to I have not heard anybody say that Wane needs to win everything in order to stay in his job.

In my opinion the consensus is that people feel that Wane has done very well to finish top of the pile last season but that some of his decision making has been questionable and has led to us being knocked out of the competition, particularly the defeat against Leeds in the play-offs but we got kicked to death twice by Leeds.

Now if Wane again makes what people perceive to be bad decisions in 2013 when it comes to tactics and team selection (both responsibilities of the head coach) then I do think that his future at the club will be under much more scrutiny.

With the changes we have seen at the club with player departures I think 2013 will be a much bigger and tougher task for Wane but we all know what Ian Lenagan expects and its no different to what the majority of supporters expect.

Lets hope Wane can do it and learn from 2012.

The point is, he put himself in that no-win situation by only giving Powell and Murphy a game each during the regular season. He had plenty of chances to give them a run (and give Sam and McIlorum some respite in the process), particularly as he regularly gave Tuson a bench spot for a 10 minute run at second row. He didn't use those chances and that's why neither could be deemed reliable cover when it came to big games with key players missing. I'm not saying this was the reason we didn't win anything but it was definitely a factor which could have been avoided at little cost

If your life depended on it, who would you pick to catch a Sinfield skyer with minutes to go in a semi final. I would trust my life with Pat or Wellens in that situation.

i think wane did a good job with very big boots to fill.

the selection incidents however dont bother me as much as the daft press quotes - thatd be my request for next year. not necessary. one or two are funny but at times it was most weeks and gave off the impression of arrogance which just leads to a fall.

i think wane will be finding the playing side a lot more difficult next year though due to player turnover

I donj't find Shaun Wane particularly likeable (a few comments in the press rubbed me up the wrong way), but it does seem early to talk about the sack for him. the margins in both semis were tight. I thought we (Leeds) were just about the better side in both, but in the CC semi you'd have to say some fortunate decisions went our way (for 'fortunate' read 'wrong'). I think we'd still have won, but I can't prove it and there certainly wasn't much in it.

Wane's still relatively inexperienced, but he's a young, British coach at a top club. We need more of those. He had a pretty good first season, and will probably have learned a couple of lessons. Particularly about the importance of having another gear to go to in the big matches.

To address something else, I don't believe for a minute that Leeds "deliberately" finished 5th again. I think the aim was always to have that aforementioned extra gear to go to, but I am certain that coach and players will have been unhappy with misjudging that to the degree that we did. It was then a (nother) monumental effort to recover. I hope, and think, we'll be better in the regular rounds next year. It's definitely still an easier road to Old Trafford from 1st or 2nd.

It's hard to set targets for Wane in terms of results. Wigan will want to win one of the two major trophies. Trouble is, so will Leeds, Wire and Saints. Plus Hull might be dark horses if the new signings work out. At least 2 of the "big 4" will go home empty handed (this isn't Blankety Blank after all).

Oh, and those suggesting that Nathan Brown could be first to go, that can only happen if nobody goes in the first half of the season. The first half is the good half for Mr Half-a-season, so he'll be alright until at least the end of July.

If we'd played Richards at fullback he'd probably have bombed it to one of the wings instead tbf

I can only remember the Warrington home game where he didn't get much of a run. He was regularly playing 25mins+ the rest of the season when fit. I agree with the point that Powell/Murphy should have had more of a run during the regular season, especially Powell who had the perfect opportunity when Tommy was injured.

But Powell broke his leg early in the season and wasn't match fit until late July.

I think that few are arguing that Wane should be given the sack on account of his choice of player in the Semi, that's a foolish thing to say.

What is apparent though is that he really does need to learn to adapt his coaching style and approach to games to match the rules of the competition.

Simply saying "I want to win every game" will just not do. There has to be a bit more strategic thinking involved.

I also think that no-one is arguing that we should aim to finish 5th, rather we shouldn't aim to finish 1st at any cost.

I hadn't realised that, all the more reason to give Murphy some game time against the lesser sides though, he could have come off the bench at 1 with Sam slotting in at 6, it's not like we don't know whether Sam would tear it up in the halves!

Ps I've noticed a few comments about sacking Wane creeping in. I just want to make it clear that I don't advocate sacking him unless something catastrophic happens, renewing his contract is another story. He has only had one season after all and hasn't been terrible, I'm just not confident that he is the man to guide us to trophies (MINOR premiership excluded)

I think I missed the bit where saying "I want to win every game" was reality and a bad thing? Would anyone complain if Wigan had won every game?

So what's the target? To almost finish top, but only if finishing less than top results in a CC or GF final and/or win? What happens if the CC is a loss, does a team hedge their bets and try and win the league and the GF or just forget the league in the hope that the GF will just be delivered as a result of not being top?

Better still

Wane could come out and tell us that he was not d about the result or performance at all. This would let us supporters know that he is looking to the back end of the season.

Obviously whatever Wane says to the press leading up to a game, is EXACTLY the same thing he says to the troops in the sheds. In fact he probably does not event conduct a team talk. There is no need as it is all in the Observer

This much is obvious, otherwise it would not allows us all to formulate an opinion Wane and the teams strategy throughout the season, whilst retrospectively sniping him even though we nearly contested both finals and were arguably the most entertaining consistent and efficient team in the comp.

It is so easy to read any lines spun to the press and turn them verbatim into his entire coaching ethos.

Wane has excellent in the film 'Congo'.

Is that really the best you can come up with ?

Laura Linney's hair is much longer.

If you are suggesting what Wane says to the press can be disregarded because its spin I think you are well wide of the mark. He isn't a professional liar cleverly manipulating the press and fans by telling them what they want to hear.

I have seen this kind of argument put forward before. Whenever anyone quotes a club official such as IL or the coach to back up a point I have seen comments suggesting these quotes are not to be believed.

I think its the other way around. They are basically honest and straightforward people who say what they mean. To suggest what they say is for the most part spin implies they are just a bunch of conniving liars who treat the press and fans with contempt. I really do not think that is true.

Of course it isn't true. Tbh I didn't reply as the post didn't deserve it.

One of the things that makes Wane likeable imo is his honesty.

Quality post.

Oh, and once more for the record:

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Oh, and once more for the record:

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Your statement should have the prefix of “I think” as it is an opinion, yours, and can’t be proved as fact. The only fact is we’ll never know!

Stop shouting I've got a headache

Never can as innocent a comment as "I want to win every game" have undergone as much pointless analysis.

Seriously, would anyone expect a professional sports coach to say anything else?

More to the point, do people really think that's the whole story?

Do Wigan have no other plans, no other strategies other than going all-out to win every match - simply because Shaun Wane didn't elaborate on them in a newspaper interview, which has probably been trimmed, edited for length etc by the subs?

Some people should just get real.

agree. lack of ball control and kicking game did. as did sinfield who turned in one of the best 40 mins ive seen in a long time.

Correct. Kn0bbing about with fancy plays when leading by a point with 3 mins to go being the final straw.

If it was just that comment there wouldn't be an issue.

It's the actions that suggested the comment was to be taken literally that are the issue.

So which of last season's matches do you think he should have tactically lost?