If the RFL want to continue with a full time position then the better coaches wont be interested as internationally there are too few games. The earlier post suggesting McNamara as an administrator with a part time head coach is a good one. There are a few who would be on my list. Wane and McDermott certainly, my preferred option would be Powell at Cas. Always impressed me as a coach and has a fair few years of experience. He would also have the bonus that it is unlikely he could be accused of club bias creating factions in the squad which happened under Smith.

So he's stuck a prop at hooker and dropped Ryan Hall who would only be 30? Wane out!!!

I think we missed a trick not having Wane in the coaching set up for this WC. He's proved himself to be an exceptionally good man manager / motivator (as well as a talented coach) and would have added a lot to the England set up.

Shaun Wane won't give up the Wigan job to go full time for England.
Part Time I do think he might well do it. If the GB gig came up then he and Harris would be an almost shoe in.

Wane's 24 man England squad, based on 2013 form.

Tomkins,
Charnley, Goulding, Watkins, Hall,
Widdop, Brough,
Graham, Roby, G Burgess,
S Burgess, Westwood,
O'Loughlin.
Then - Hardaker, Ratchford, Smith, Mossop, McIlorum, Hill, Crabtree,
Ferres, Farrell, Ablett, Kirmond.

I've put Goulding in there and moved Watkins to left centre as the club partnerships could work well.
No Sinfield or Chase but Widdop and Brough with Ratchford and Smith in the squad due to their form. Hardaker who can cover full back and centre.
I went for the form forwards. Wane wouldn't select Hock.

Yes I don't know how you could assume that Wane would pick lesser players just because they were from Wigan.

I expect it would be used against him though because even if he picked all of England's best players they would probably get beat more often than not by the Aussies, so fans of other clubs on these forums would say Wane was clueless and just choosing players because they played for Wigan rather than looking at all those superstars at smaller clubs who would have beaten the Aussies if only they could get a chance...

McNamara has picked Mossop, McIlorum and Farrell, all questionable choices, certainly nowhere near the international class of Tomkins, O'L and Charnley. The fact that Wigan did the double with, IMO, a squad lacking the depth of quality of your competitors has to be down to coaching, you are the only team who seems able to consistently attack with pace & accuracy, where everyone recognises the pattern but always struggles to contain it. Whether the attack is down to Wane or Harris, I don't know. Looking at Wales performances I would have to say it must be Wane. I don't think we can sustain a full time top quality coach so no complaints from me if Wane was involved part time. However if he picked Goulding at centre, with some of the competition, I would change my opinion immediately. A decent SL centre but has less qualifications than the original 3 who I questioned for international selection.

My selfish answer would be no I would want him to stay with us, but if he were asked to do it to be a part-time head coach of two, with full control of selection, then yes I could see it working for the good of the country. On the fear of him being too Wigan centric with selection of players, I would have no concerns over that one, because I think one of his main strengths is that the goal is the main driver of his ambitions, not favouritism.

Wane for England! I can just see the Red Vee board now, my goodness can you imagine the comments on there, they've not half given Micky Mac some stick (now Hocks gone they have to have another fall guy) sorry Shaun I'd sooner you stay at Wigan and get us another double.

Farrell has the best stats for any second row player in Super League but the majority would have Westwood before him for exactly the same reasons the likes of Conroy and myself would have McIlorum starting tomorrow.

Brough is Scottish! HTH.

And the Hock issue wouldn't have arisen because he wouldn't be there to start off with.

Brough was born in Dewsbury. HTH.

I don't who takes the job on next as long as McBanana is given the plank after this.

I'd hazard a guess that any of the coaches at Wigan would do a better job than that idiot.

Coaches from most clubs would

I totally agree. But it begs the question why wasn't he chosen Coach of the Year. Here you have a man who coached a team that was written off at the start of the season but went on to do the double and he is passed over for the honour. Of all the crazy decisions ( and there have been many ) this surely ranks as the worst.

To be fair, the coach of the year decision was made BEFORE the Grand Final.

Which is another daft decision just like choosing the Lance Todd winner with about 20 minutes to go Why? The match isn't over so how can anyone judge fairly who made the best contribution to the game. The season isn't over and the main match of the season still to play so how can you fairly judge who was the best coach. Why does the Lance Todd winner have to be announced during the match and why do we have to have the awards dinner before the season is over. Only in Rugby League do you get such craziness.
It's akin to giving a boxer a points decision with a round still to go.

But he opted to play for a rival country so I would never consider him for England. GB yes but not England. I would rather have Rangi Chase at least he wants to play for England...

I would have both Farrell and McIllorum in today.

The England job is not a full time position. I am sure he could comfortably take it on.

In terms people discussing Goulding and his selection, please also remember Jack Reed, if fit he is our number 1 centre, do that leaves Watkins, Cudjo and Goulding, and to be fair to the former 2 of that 3 both have gone well so far this tournament.

Wane has been nominated for International Coach of the Year by the RLIF, along with Maguire and Robinson.

With a good coach we would still be in the World Cup. Poor selection policy, Ablett not used, Burrow 15 woeful minutes poor tactics etc.

We have the makings if a good team. A fearsome starting pack and some good young players.

Wane needs to be given a chance to build towards the next World Cup and the first thing he needs to do is advise, Burrow, Westwood, and Sinfield to retire and make Burgess the captain.

Not sure anyone can blame a 2 point loss against the Kiwis on McN (wasn't it a Graham penalty that gifted it to them at the end of the day). I'm not that much of a fan, but knee-jerk baying for blood helps nobody.

Smith resigned as full-time coach because we was bored, Wane would be taking a major step backwards if he left us for the national side. There simply aren't the number of games (at the moment) to justify the job. Additionally, I would guess that McN knows he needs to maintain his position, because he's actually not rated as a coach that any of the SL clubs would jump to recruit (lower leagues maybe, but I don't think he's that much of a philanthropist).

Also - HANDS OFF ! Personally I'd like to see the Ape swinging around the DW (and Wembley & Old Trafford) for a couple of years more at least.

Knee jerk? He should never have been given the job. You think playing the World Champions with only 16 players was good coaching?

Having 3 players walk out or leave camp? Being poor against most teams in the comp?

Only selecting Widdop for today etc etc etc.

The man has consistently failed as our coach.

The England job is not a full time role, it does not need to be anyway. Wane could comfortably do both.

It was Burgess by the way who gave away the penalty off the back of shocking kick selection by Sinfield.

Knee-jerk on the back of today's effort, not the campaign as a whole, which has been dire, inconsistent and very poorly managed (& it's not just McN to blame for that).
As I said, I'm no fan of the man as a coach or tactician (and my expletive replete rant in the middle of the office when he was appointed is still mentioned in dispatches - luckily there weren't that many in that day) . But if there's going to be a cogent argument for replacing him it shouldn't start 5 minutes after such a game as this afternoon. Take a deep breath, step back and calmly list the many reasons why he should be given the push. But don't also then demand that any successful SL coach should take his place. I'm often minded that a national coach should be someone with more than a couple of years' experience with the nous & guile to be able to cope with anything because they've seen it all before.
(and I'll sit corrected on the blame for the penalty)