I agree.

Coaches who are serious about wanting to be among the best should learn from their defeats, not come up with any excuse they can as to why it wasn't their fault.

I'm afraid there are some perennial whingers in SL, and Agar, Matterson and Potter are classic examples.

Going back a few years, I first realised we'd bought a lemon in John Dorahy when he immediately began making unconvincing excuses for our defeats. I'd never heard Graham Lowe or John Monie do that.

What was the penalty count again?

They won it, but we still cheated.

I think it finished 14 penalties each.

Just watched the game on Sky+.

Wigan deserved to win you were the better team.

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=451544 seems like he's not very happy with our tactics! he doesnt mention the 2nd half when we got absolutly hammered on penalties!

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=451544 seems like he's not very happy with our tactics! he doesnt mention the 2nd half when we got absolutly hammered on penalties!

Penalty count was 13 penalties each I think.

i seem to remember people doing the same with us last year after we'd beaten them.
i seem to remember mr noble and a fair few wigan fans also crying after the giants had beaten them.
thats just the way it goes i guess

Well what do you expect?? the sun does shine on the righteous

Refs aren't penalising for lying on, they are penalising for messing around at the ptb. Wigan have got it down pat because they consistently get 3 men in the tackle and when they are told to get off, they get off cleanly. Three men getting off the tackle takes 2-3 seconds longer than two. It's not cheating and it's a fair tactic. Wigan started to get penalised when they couldn't get three men in and started messing around, it's what we got done for.

For me the ref didn't spoil the game, the players did for continually messing around at the ptb and Wilkin (again) seemed the worst for it for me, but I'm going off my view of the game at the ground as I haven't watched it again.

We seemed to let the occasion get the better of us, Wigan appeared more composed and took the chances that they got, we didn't. In games between the top clubs these days the margin between defeat and victory is small and that game showed it.

You do push the tactic to the limit when tackling. Wigan are the Hudderfield of 2009!

No law against it though I suppose as Stuart Cummings said last year. Last year we played hudds 3 times and beat them twice,so if your coach is good enough then there are ways to beat wrestling tactics. Maybe Potter is just not up to the job as many saints fans seem to think?

Spot on BL. Will you stop posting sense though as yourself, SaintPete and Codarmysaint (

) among others are making Potter look like a right whinger and surely that can't be right!

Saints started the 3rd man in the tackle and got away with it for along time, Joynt was a master of being the 3rd man in slowing play (aswell as the voluntry tackle)

Rewatched the game and Saints were just as bad as us at lying down in the tackle. At the game, I knew our defence was good to hold Saints out, buut rewatched it back today, and it was borderline incredible. Never seen us stand up like that before and was pleasantly surprised. I'll admit that at the game I was expecting us to crack and concede more, but whatever Madge has done it's working.

I think it's interesting that of the last 9 times our line has been breached, only 3 have resulted in tries! That is some goal line defense!

Yep.

The downside when you are the defending team is that with 3 in the tackle, one has to get back 10m into the defensive line. This means a lot more work in defence, and imo, one of the reasons Feka has been dropped.

You are spot on. It is within the rules. Because we have so many in the tackle as long as someone is always peeling off, the ref will not give away then pen. The ref was poor though, some of the decisions were awful!

At one point we were defending on our own line 11 v 13! How can that be fair?? Where is the sportmanship????


Saints are the real cheats and Wilkin is an angel.

let get i right here.... Thaler did his best in the 2nd half to get stains back into the game, he's not responsible for them dropping the ball or gettin held up over the line is he ?

Potter won't remember Chris Joynt then...... no 1 lyer-on ever.

He'll be blaming the pitch next like Martinez

Spot on quote there, Joynty was the original one and the rest were to follow ala Cunningham,

Its always seems the team who is winning and at the top gets this negative publicity(Hudds last year to mention one),

I also wonder why teams at the lower end of the table never get criticized,Salford etc who also employ the same tactics but obviously not as well

Cheated our way out of relegation, an now were cheating our way to topping the table, happy days, its just because were bigger than everyone else and we OWN the RFL.

I say carry on cheating our way to the title

Why not, we can do, after all, like I said we OWN the RFL, were untouchable.

I totally agree.