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| Quote ="Jimmy Birts Lives On"Thanks for the comments and constructive criticism. We’ve had similar messages from fans of other clubs up and down the leagues. Fair point about it looking official. That’s something that’s hard to get away from in modern stadia like the DW. The only place you can use tele poles are on the concourse in front of the stand. You need the clubs permission to even set foot on that concourse. You then have the Head Steward for the South Stand who is dead against this. Other difficulties in a ground like the DW is the problem of grouping likeminded fans together. It’s early days so you’ve still got people interested who are season ticket holders in other stands. Over time maybe this’ll change.
There is no way of getting away from the fact that you have to work with the club on some things like flags on top of the gantry and standing on the concourse in front of the stand. Impossible to do those things if you don’t work with them. Other things we haven’t asked permission for and have been rumbled.
Like I say, encouragement, support and constructive criticism received from Saints, Salford, Huddersfield, Halifax, Leyth fans etc as well as fans of football clubs. Only set of fans with an obsession with it are Wire fans and I wonder why that is? All boils down to jealousy and bitterness. If they were doing it I’d say good on em’. It looks good and that reflects better on the sport if it’s seen that its support base is vibrant.
We’ll keep plugging away at it anyway, start to build on the home made stuff and sort some displays out for this season. Displays without scratty ingerlund flags that Umbro give away free during a World Cup.'"
Good post Ultras is just a name. People can't seem to grasp that, is it too far down the track for us to change it? Maybe have a vote on it?
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| Quote ="Jimmy Birts Lives On"Thanks for the comments and constructive criticism. We’ve had similar messages from fans of other clubs up and down the leagues. Fair point about it looking official. That’s something that’s hard to get away from in modern stadia like the DW. The only place you can use tele poles are on the concourse in front of the stand. You need the clubs permission to even set foot on that concourse. You then have the Head Steward for the South Stand who is dead against this. Other difficulties in a ground like the DW is the problem of grouping likeminded fans together. It’s early days so you’ve still got people interested who are season ticket holders in other stands. Over time maybe this’ll change.
There is no way of getting away from the fact that you have to work with the club on some things like flags on top of the gantry and standing on the concourse in front of the stand. Impossible to do those things if you don’t work with them. Other things we haven’t asked permission for and have been rumbled.
Like I say, encouragement, support and constructive criticism received from Saints, Salford, Huddersfield, Halifax, Leyth fans etc as well as fans of football clubs. Only set of fans with an obsession with it are Wire fans and I wonder why that is? All boils down to jealousy and bitterness. If they were doing it I’d say good on em’. It looks good and that reflects better on the sport if it’s seen that its support base is vibrant.
We’ll keep plugging away at it anyway, start to build on the home made stuff and sort some displays out for this season. Displays without scratty ingerlund flags that Umbro give away free during a World Cup.'"
If your struggling for folk for the wavers let us know I'll drag a few of our lot down.
If folk really have an issue with it they should complain to the club and if then we are told not to use the wavers then fine but until that days comes lets rock and roll
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| Quote ="19 Leagues"Show me where opposition fans have a perception that the ultras are a 'firm'
Show me an example of violence at games because of the ultras?
Explain the unfriendly atmosphere?
Your post make me believe that you are nothing more than a Warrington/Latics troll.'"
fantastic, again resulting to an insult,
ive been a wigan fan for over 20 years,
warrington, saints, bradford, leeds, all matches that ive witness hostility towards fans on coaches, because there are some teens/early 20's people claiming they are ultras acting up and making and unfriendly and hostile atmosphere.
but hey apparently im a tool and i dont count,
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| and now ive been educated on what the ultras do i think its great, and like a previous post states its the name that might be the issue.
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| Quote ="Nogga"Good post
Ultras is just a name. People can't seem to grasp that, is it too far down the track for us to change it? Maybe have a vote on it?'"
Had this discussion with a lad who contacted me from Jorvik Reds (York City Ultras). Both came up with 'Brigantes' who were the first tribe to settle in Wigan
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| Quote ="truewiganer"fantastic, again resulting to an insult,
ive been a wigan fan for over 20 years,
warrington, saints, bradford, leeds, all matches that ive witness hostility towards fans on coaches, =#800000because there are some teens/early 20's people claiming they are ultras acting up and making and unfriendly and hostile atmosphere.but hey apparently im a tool and i dont count,'"
whoah...........I know for a fact that the gang of 30-40 scroats who follow us on away days (and let's face it all clubs have them) have nothing to do with the flags/banners group.
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| Quote ="truewiganer"fantastic, again resulting to an insult,
ive been a wigan fan for over 20 years,
warrington, saints, bradford, leeds, all matches that ive witness hostility towards fans on coaches, because there are some teens/early 20's people claiming they are ultras acting up and making and unfriendly and hostile atmosphere.
but hey apparently im a tool and i dont count,'"
Well I think your getting the Ultras confused with another group of fans, this group of fans what you are criticising saying you 'hate' are just trying to create a passionate atmosphere at home games which has been lacking since we moved to the DW, the fact that you're coming on here wrongly criticising what they are doing and accusing them of promoting violence despite all the effort they are putting in is disgraceful. The actual Wigan Rugby League club is involved with these lot, do you really think they would be if everything you are saying is true?
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| Quote ="Jimmy Birts Lives On"Both came up with 'Brigantes' who were the first tribe to settle in Wigan
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Did they use violence? Wouldn't like the club to be associated with a tribe who raped & pillaged.
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| Quote ="MattyB"whoah...........I know for a fact that the gang of 30-40 scroats who follow us on away days (and let's face it all clubs have them) have nothing to do with the flags/banners group.'"
thats not what they are saying and giving the impression of,
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| Quote ="truewiganer" there are some teens/early 20's people claiming they are ultras acting up and making and unfriendly and hostile atmosphere.,'"
please tell me when/where and possibly who?
I go to most every game home and away and with a group of all ages literally from toddler to pensioner and not once have I heard anybody mention ULTRAS in a negative manner. I'll be honest I don't use the name at all but it's certainly not due to the fact that it's a negative name.
You mentioned earlier on that folk won't conversate with you. So please conversate with me and tell me?
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| Quote ="-Tracie-"If your struggling for folk for the wavers let us know I'll drag a few of our lot down.
If folk really have an issue with it they should complain to the club and if then we are told not to use the wavers then fine but until that days comes lets rock and roll
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Cheers Tracie
Don't think we'll be short on numbers now for the next home game!!
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| Quote ="19 Leagues"Well I think your getting the Ultras confused with another group of fans, this group of fans what you are criticising saying you 'hate' are just trying to create a passionate atmosphere at home games which has been lacking since we moved to the DW, the fact that you're coming on here wrongly criticising what they are doing and accusing them of promoting violence despite all the effort they are putting in is disgraceful. The actual Wigan Rugby League club is involved with these lot, do you really think they would be if everything you are saying is true?'"
yeah i get it, but this group of fans are claiming to be ultras, giving what i now see as a great organization a dubious association
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| Quote ="truewiganer"thats not what they are saying and giving the impression of,'"
PLEASE EXPLAIN???????????????
what who's saying?? those who are defending our hard work?? Me??
Please please please get your facts right before commenting
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| Quote ="MattyB"Did they use violence? Wouldn't like the club to be associated with a tribe who raped & pillaged.
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No, you're thinking of Worsley Hallers
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| On a slight change of discussion, as I was heading down the steps after the hooter (to the tune of 'Long after tonight is all over'), it was amazing to see groups of older supporters literally dancing on the terraces and singing the words. One couple I saw (man & wife I assume, in their late 50's) were holding hands, dancing and belting out the words...they were in a world of their own to it. The joy on their faces alone made it so worth while!!!
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| Quote ="-Tracie-"please tell me when/where and possibly who?
I go to most every game home and away and with a group of all ages literally from toddler to pensioner and not once have I heard anybody mention ULTRAS in a negative manner. I'll be honest I don't use the name at all but it's certainly not due to the fact that it's a negative name.
You mentioned earlier on that folk won't conversate with you. So please conversate with me and tell me?'"
i dont know names or could point them out cos i dont take them on and ignore them,
and please stop taking this as insults,
its not you lot defending your hard work, its this group of scrotes at away games
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| Quote ="Jimmy Birts Lives On"Thanks for the comments and constructive criticism. We’ve had similar messages from fans of other clubs up and down the leagues. Fair point about it looking official. That’s something that’s hard to get away from in modern stadia like the DW. The only place you can use tele poles are on the concourse in front of the stand. You need the clubs permission to even set foot on that concourse. You then have the Head Steward for the South Stand who is dead against this. Other difficulties in a ground like the DW is the problem of grouping likeminded fans together. It’s early days so you’ve still got people interested who are season ticket holders in other stands. Over time maybe this’ll change.
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Like I say, encouragement, support and constructive criticism received from Saints, Salford, Huddersfield, Halifax, Leyth fans etc as well as fans of football clubs. Only set of fans with an obsession with it are Wire fans and I wonder why that is? All boils down to jealousy and bitterness. If they were doing it I’d say good on em’. It looks good and that reflects better on the sport if it’s seen that its support base is vibrant.
We’ll keep plugging away at it anyway, start to build on the home made stuff and sort some displays out for this season. Displays without scratty ingerlund flags that Umbro give away free during a World Cup.'"
Spot on mate, if there is something we are most definately NOT its official. But its impossible not to work with the club on certain issues, if we had a ground like the Willows we would do other stuff we have discussed and get away with it very easily were as in the DW its impossible to get away with "other stuff" you'd simply be ejected with immediate effect. We should be immensely proud of what we have achieved in the last year in terms of the 30+ gantry flags and all the wavers, completely SELF FUNDED. The away displays we have put up have been brilliant and worth every minute of our time and effort. I wish all these Wire lot that have a pop could see the messages of support and encouragement we have had off people at well respected football clubs around europe and how impressed people have been with what we have brought to the RL table in terms of vibrant support.
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| Quote ="Jimmy Birts Lives On"Had this discussion with a lad who contacted me from Jorvik Reds (York City Ultras). Both came up with 'Brigantes' who were the first tribe to settle in Wigan
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I think you need to settle on a name pretty quickly. The Ultras name does conjure up images of European soccer violence to the uneducated, but if the majority are uneducated about it then their's nothing you can do about it. I personally like the Irregurlars name but I think the skull needs to go for the same reasons as the Ultras name.
The Brigantes is a great idea but I do think it's something that needs to be sorted soon before you go down the road of scarves, T-shirts, hoodies etc...
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| Quote ="truewiganer"yeah i get it, but this group of fans are claiming to be ultras, giving what i now see as a great organization a dubious association'"
Mate, the UK Ultras scene is all about trying to create some colour and passion on the terraces. Nothing at all to do with violence. Check out Stanley Ultras (Accy Stanley), Jorvik Reds (York City) and what's going on with this scene at places like Crystal Palace and Oxford United for example. It looks great and all adds to the experience on matchday.
It doesn't matter what we use as a name. Irregulars, Brigantes, Ultras. A group of fans want to replicate at Wigan what is going on at some of the clubs mentioned above. That's it.
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| Quote ="truewiganer"i dont know names or could point them out cos i dont take them on and ignore them,
and please stop taking this as insults,
its not you lot defending your hard work, its this group of scrotes at away games'"
Come down to the next meeting and air your concerns, you'll be made most welcome. We do encourage constructive criticism.
I can't understand why it is only the Wire fans (and just a few of them) who don't appear to be in tune with what we are doing. As someone else has posted I would love too see the other clubs do something similar, and would applaud them for doing it.
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| Quote ="Jimmy Birts Lives On"Mate, the UK Ultras scene is all about trying to create some colour and passion on the terraces. Nothing at all to do with violence. Check out Stanley Ultras (Accy Stanley), Jorvik Reds (York City) and what's going on with this scene at places like Crystal Palace and Oxford United for example. It looks great and all adds to the experience on matchday.
It doesn't matter what we use as a name. Irregulars, Brigantes, Ultras. A group of fans want to replicate at Wigan what is going on at some of the clubs mentioned above. That's it.'"
aaarrrgghhhhh
Give up Chris mate
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| I do now get where you are coming from and think its great, apologies for all the misunderstanding,
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| Quote ="Pemps"I think you need to settle on a name pretty quickly. The Ultras name does conjure up images of European soccer violence to the uneducated, but if the majority are uneducated about it then their's nothing you can do about it. I personally like the Irregurlars name but I think the skull needs to go for the same reasons as the Ultras name.
The Brigantes is a great idea but I do think it's something that needs to be sorted soon before you go down the road of scarves, T-shirts, hoodies etc...'"
Good point. If its to be Brigantes, what about the image? A lion (reference to our crest?) and 3 stars?
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| Quote ="truewiganer"I do now get where you are coming from and think its great, apologies for all the misunderstanding,'"
Fair play to you for taking in what people have said and changing your opinion. Not many do that on here! I retract my statement, you are not a tool/warrington/latics toll
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