Some tough decisions add in Bobby’s form i was impressed with his form at the end of the season good yards at the start of sets and some big hits in defence. I’m hoping for a strong start, any early season slump could lead to chopping and changing of the backs.

Manfredi has been out with two long term injuries and since his return from those injuries has not produced the form he showed when he first got into the team and is again injured.

As Burgess has left and Marshall is also got a long term injury, we have no specialist wingers.

Please don't say we have any number of players who could fill the wing positions when outside Manfredi and Marshall, we have no specialist wingers like Makinson and Grace, Briscoe and Hanley, Davies and YaYa, Ben Jones Bishop and Johnstone or even Charnley and Lineham.

The likes of Bibby and Hankinson or players like French and Field moving from their more effective positions is not the answer for a club which over many years has been famous for having outstanding and famous wingers.

Neither is stacking your squad out with specialist wingers in a sport which is salary capped.

You can carry 3 at the most, we have seen even with our injury issues on the wings 4 into 2 doesn’t work.

We have Marshall, Manfredi, Bibby, French who can all play on the wing to a good standard.

If we can bring in a prop and a winger fair enough but a quality prop has to be the priority which may prevent or limit our ability to recruit elsewhere.

It is non negotiable. Props win you pots. We had the best backs in the league and looked the most dangerous v Saints when in their half. Trouble was we were never in their half. Their pack was better.

You can stick anyone on the wing with the backs we have.

Props props props.
George Burgess is the key in all this.

Sorry, I thought it said "with" not which. My bad

And what specialist wingers did Saints,Leeds, Wakey, Catalan and Wire have outside the ones you listed? When Makinson was banned Saints had Costello or Welsby, Catalan had Tierney and Mead, Wire had Ashton and/or Mamo.

I would say that Manfredi, Marshall and Burgess were stronger than any of those.

Agree 100%.

Whilst I agree with your comment about props, I differ regarding sticking anyone on the wing. It showed, in the GF, how crucial a recognised winger can be in converting chances.

Assuming here you are talking about Bibby. To be honest he had a better game than Burgess (a recognised winger). He scored a great try and missed out on another (which was well covered in defence anyway).

Giants want Greenwood

Tell him there’s a bus due

Ide drive him there myself

Someone on the other forum posted 'hope he doesn't leave'. Don't know which player they've been watching. I'll drive behind you just in case you break down. Absolute nothing player

Greenwood offers something a bit different to a lot of our other backrowers in that he offers some natural size and when he’s on, he is a threat. The issue we have is 1- he isn’t on enough and 2- he’s well down the pecking order.

I have no issues with him leaving if it’s for squad shaping purposes. To free you some space to use in other areas would be a wise move. I’d worry a little if we’re just trimming the squad though and not trying to change the balance. We can’t afford to go too far in cutting our depth. We’ve been lucky with injuries in the main this season but it’s the first season in a good while that we’ve been as lucky.

If Greenwood had the heart of Isa he would be one of the best back rowers in the league. Shame he doesnt so best for everyone if he moves on

If that where the case I’d say one the best full stop but as you he doesn’t and maybe time to cut losses and let him move on

I’ve always said with Greenwood, if he had more steel and aggression about him, he wouldn’t be at Wigan. He would be in the NRL and he’d be one of the best in the World let alone in this country. It’s very rare to have a guy who is 6ft 4 or so, 17 stones but who can shift and he can play as well. He doesn’t have that steel, that aggression and so on though and that makes him a hugely frustrating player but still a good one. Watson will work wonders with him I’m sure but even he can’t coach a player to have a natural aggression or never say die spirit.

reminds me of karl pryce

Greenwood will probably be a decent earner - he was signed as Batemans replacement.

A wage which is probably too much for our 4th choice back row.

Averaged a try a game. Can't ask much more from a winger really but he didn't beat 50 men every time he took the ball in so he was rubbish.

He'd have scored three tries in that Grand Final two weeks ago.

He played most of his games on the left wing, so he wouldn't

See. Rubbish.

so did ainscough, if he had heart and a pair he would have averaged 2,

Maybe, maybe not.