Of course it does. You don't understand how averages work, do you? We need those 20k+ crowds to compensate for the likes of Salford & Quins, when we "only" get 13k+.

Don't know the lowest but the highest is over 16,000. IL has spoken publicly of his aim to get average attendances towards 20,000 so I think you are yet again barking up the wrong tree HY.

An entirely correct and obvious point and therefore wasted on our friend from Wolfsland

Everyone else on here sees you are wrong. The only person who can't see it is yourself.

Bitterness as usual about being the smaller club. I just won't listen to wire fans anymore... one of your fans came out with this beauty....

"the flying biscuit".... 'Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History*....ever'

C'mon Yed... you were that ugly, snotty nosed, spotty kid in the school playground who ran around trying to join in with the bigger kids and failed.... You will see that this thread is about Saint's ground, and started with many comments of admiration and a little envy.. Then you turn up and try to join in with the bigger kids... Just go away you annoying little snot.....


No offence....

By Yed's logic, Wolfs should have a stadium of about 11,000, and yet i'm sure he will applaud the fact that they are expanding it.

Bitterness about being a smaller club? What the hell are you on about, i've even alluded to it my own posts that we are a smaller club, everyone on here will agree with you it's a partisan board, an argument ad populam doesn't mean im wrong, i expected it.

I'm not bitter, bloody hell i'm not a teenager, i like a bit of banter at times granted but this post is genuine but the trouble with sports fan (yes wire included) is the majority just refuse to be objective.

I said O'loughlin was the best player at Wigan, was ridiculed for it then low and behold few weeks later 'Madge' says the same thing BUT you won't entertain my opinion (not you personally OD)
I don't come on here and expect people to agree with me far from it but to ridicule my opinion because you don't like it doesn't mean i'm wrong it just means you disagree.

This is also my opinion 18k ground for a team who only manage to go higher than that for 1/4 of their home games is plenty big enough, in the same way i think that about my own team in that i think currently it is plenty big enough.

And as a MOD do you think it's appropriate to change the subject to talking about you... This is a thread about Saints new ground...

Yes and yes, i'm happy because the sound will be enclosed but to expand when we only fill it twice seems odd, i can only conclude they are looking at other ventures beyond SL as to the reason for expansion otherwise it just seems to be a waste of money.

I've never changed my posting style just because i became a MOD, some MODS have different styles i have mine. I was going to abstain but then Odem called me out and like most people let my ego override common sense. I commented on capacity and then people aim posts at me so i reply, it would be rude not too

I don't think it's as black and white as that. Why would the club deliberately decide not to have the chance of attracting attendances of around 20,000 when they know the club is capable of that. I know they are rare occasions but the goal will be to constantly increase average attendances, particularly because it will increase interest from sponsors. The current average is 15-16,000 and so the next goal is to get an average of around 18,000 (and then up to 20,000). If the ground only held 18,000 then that wouldn't really be possible because you won't sell out week in week out and larger attendances are needed to reach that figure.
A ground of 18,000 capacity wouldn't be big enough because it would prevent the marketing team from having any ambition. Saints games would lose money on ticket sales as would games against Warrington, the 'Big One' games and potentially the other marketing ideas such as the St George's day game and the Heritage game.

But this thread is not about YOUR stadium... WE are commenting on the Saints stadium, then you turn up to talk about your fave subject... YOU...

and that's when you put plans in for expansion when you reach saturation point, but you're 5-6k off that at the moment.

I'm sure plenty of market research went in to the Saints capacity. Yeah they could get beyond that for Wire and Wigan but on average they'll probably get 13-14

*to Wigan Peer
That's my 2nd favourite topic

So by your logic, are Warrington more succesful because you are nearer to filling your ground each home game!! You try to justify yourself earlier in the piece by dropping our "bigger" games, and the "BIG ONE" because they don't fit your argument. But it's ok for you to justify a bigger ground for others because you say it could be used for other events. Perhaps if your marketing team worked as hard as ours do, you too could justify a bigger stadium.

We have a bigger stadium.. It holds other events... To my mind it would be silly for Wigan to have a stadium smaller than 20,000, whatever your bizzare logic tells you.

I didn't drop them to fit an argument, i dropped them because derby matches aren't the 'norm' therefore you don't use those games as your business model you use the 11 other games not the 2 inflated ones.
2 games full stadium, 11 games with plenty of empty room looking like the Galpharm which looks embarrassing on TV.

But our place does not look "embarrassingly empty", except for the away end. Thats an erroneous argument. The cost of extending a ground far outways building in extra capacity in the first place. And the Galpharm IS used for other events, not least the wendyball, as you pointed out in your earlier arguement as a strength, now it a weakness. Make your mind up..

I'm done...

Perhaps we should open a Warrington "sticky", so you can post your bizzare views on that...

Yed's mega thread

I like it

When i said i thought the only logic for expansion was other events i wasn't justifying the expansion i was trying to work out the reason and it's the only one i could think of, i actually think the expansion of our ground seems bizarre for 2 possibly 3(Widnes) SL games a year

I think the 18,000 is so we can hold semi finals, internationals and even concerts.

The whole idea of having a new stadium is to help balance the boos by having the stadium used often as possible.

i know its only a silly typo, but it made me laugh

Does anybody know the completion rate for Wigan v saints semi final????

Sure I read saints had 86% completion rate.

Could be wrong tho

It was a joke



A new poster has been asking on every thread since his first post. Can't believe I got an answer

If the DW was 18k, we would have lost the revenue of nearly 20,000 extra fans through the gates this season alone. Those big attendances make a big difference. It's all academic anyway, the stadium is 25k and we'll be filling the b@stard every game in a few years!!