what a ugly moron obvious not a rugby fan.

You can discount that. According to Boots'n'all it's only Leeds. They never once mentioned on Friday or on tonights programme that we (Saints) had any injuries to our first choice 13/17 yet Hudds injuries kept getting a mention. If you live or play this side of the Pennines you don't suffer from injuries.

Wigan fans trying to include Phelps into their starting line up to make their injury situation look worse. What a surprise. If fit, Phelps gets nowhere near your line up.

You have 4 missing. Deacon and Phelps are scrapping the barell. Thats like saying Dean and Lomax would be in our 17 as they was before they got injured.

Soliola, Eastmond, Wheeler, Dean, Lomax, Gardner, Wilkin, Dixon and Faasavalu. Whether some of them play i do not no. Soliola, Wilkin, Faasavalu, Wheeler, Dean and omaxare definately out.

Phelps was a starter until he got injured. What part of that dont you understand?

The part where it becomes convenient for him not to.

Neither Pryce nor Goulding were Wigan's first choice wingmen when the season started. Our initial back three was Roberts - Phelps - Richards. Only injuries forced this to be re-jigged.

So was Chris Dean. Would he replace Gary Wheeler now ?

Would Phelps replace Pat Richards ?

Simple question.

Exactly. Just because a couple of squad players have stood up and played really well doesnt mean the injured fella isnt first choice when fully fit. If Phelps hadnt of got injured one of those two probably wouldnt of even got a game.

No because Pat Richards would then play on the wing. He is only filling in at full back. HTH

I hope you get the coaches job at Wigan.

Whether you like it or not, Pat Richards is first and foremost a winger. That's where he is more effective in attack.

Amos Roberts would be full-back ahead of Richards, but he too was signed and played most of last season as a winger. Phelps has the Wigan no. 1 shirt. He only lost it when he was injured. He would have returned against Castleford two weeks ago had he not been injured again.

I wouldn't try to argue that he'd hold the shirt down all season without any question. But Mike Maguire has a rotational system and uses a top level of about 17 players very regularly. Cameron Phelps was defnitely a big part of his plans.

So which of Amos/Richards/Gleeson/Carmont/Pryce or Goulding would Phelps be replacing if he was fit?

Which of Tomkins/Tommy/Riddell/McIlorum would Deacon be replacing?

In reality you have 3 out who would play and one who might, whereas Saints have 6 first choice players out, 5 of whom have played international rugby recently. It's no comparison and is pretty much par for the course this year.

Well the back line would be
Phelps
Amos Gleeson Carmont Richards

That is the 1st Choice

And i would think Deacon would replace McIlorum on the bench so Tommy could move to 9
But thats just my thoughts

You do realise Phelps as been fit when NOT picked in the past ? I can think of many occasions when he as been named 18th man.

On this thread [urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=28&t=460186&start=15[/url only one Wigan fan has Phelps in the team, none have Deacon. there are posts where Mossop misses out too, and Hansen. Only SOL of the players rumoured to be injured this weekend features in them all.

Interesting how they are all shoe-ins now they're injured?

Get a Saints fan to list our best 17 when all fit and you can be sure Wheeler/Eastmond/Soliola/Wilkin/Maurie/Gardner would be in there. The injuries are chalk and cheese.

Dont remember Phelps being names as the 18th man Feka has on a few occasions.
I think i am right in saying he played every game up to him doing his ankle then he has got knocks when playing his way back in the reserves or whatever they call them this year.

Well lets take Phelps he played well up to doing his ankle and was first choice full back hence the number 1 shirt.
Micky Mac has been playing better but is still a little slow at distributing the ball for me but he is getting better. I personally would have Deacon on the bench in his place but as i said thats my choice i feel Tommy gives us a bit more speed at the play of the ball like Roby does for Saints.

Personally I wouldn't have phelps or deacon in my 17 but hansen is a shoe in for second row as is mossop. I'm not the coach though and injuries permitting I would think that deacon and phelps would still be in the 17 more often than not.

But hey, you know the Wigan team a lot better than us just as a few on here know what's going on at Saints more than you.

I'm sorry.

Can I just say................

Boo-f***ing-hoo.

Put your first-choice 17 against whoever we play and I'd STILL give us a better than 50/50 chance this year.

We have pretty much the same number of first team regulars out, so quit looking for excuses before a ball is even kicked.

Stop your whining.

If 4 (2 internationals) is pretty much the same as 6 (all internationals), then yeah you do.

For a fine example of excuses before a ball is kicked, check out the ref thread on your very own board.



Oh and I've already said I fancy us to win this weekend anyway, so no excuses here.

the ref thread is no excuse the ref thread are FACT s played 3 lost 3 FACT .

So Bentham helped you build up big leads twice then made you throw them away? Give over.

get back on topic

It was all part of his cunning plan

No its not, it hasnt been the first choice since the first couple of games. Phelps has fallen way down the pecking order and he hasnt been selected for a long time, even when fit.

In nearly every game one team will have more injuries than the other. This week you may have more out than us, thats rugby, stop going on about it. Im sure Eddie will mention it enough on Sunday