Somehow this dire pediction no longer feels quite so dire.

Lockers has signed a new deal with us.
Didn't see FPN or Bretherton at last night's dinner.
Maybe some of those unhappy players at Wire may arrive at Wigan.

The only one I’d take is Currie so no doubt we will re-sign Jack Hughes

Well, we all know that FPN has been a big disappointment, and I'm not sure what Bretherton contributes. They're both big lads, and yet they play like lightweights.

We're allegedly all in agreement that we want to construct a new team at Wigan (as much as is possible). So I suppose cutting loose those who are obviously doing nothing would at least start clearing some valuable cap space.

I'd take Hill in a heartbeat, probably Ratchford too.

I'd be willing to swap a whole host of players for Chris Hill or Ben Currie.

Is there supposed to be issues over at the Wire?

What issues are there at Warrington? Big enough to see Ben Currie, Ratchford or Hill leave? Currie would be an outstanding purchase, but I would imagine Saints, Leeds, Hull and even Cas would be interested too!

I love Currie, but do we need another backrower. Now we've re-signed Lockers, that's one area where we aren't weak.

For sheer practicality, I would prefer Hill and/or Ratchford.

Hill allegedly signing for Hull KR.

If Hill is available and we have the cap space we should be doing all we can to sign him.

That would be plain bizarre.

Players like Hill and Curry would be on most players wish list but I suspect not realistic potential signings. I agree with Cruncher, Hill to HKR would be a very odd move.

That would be strange!
Doesn’t he live in Leigh/Wigan?
Surely he’ll have Saints, Wigan, Salford, even Leeds queuing up for him before trecking all the way to KR?

Whatever problems there are at Wire, surely the departure of Smith and incoming new coach will see most problems resolved? Unless there’s a bad egg?

Apparently also in for LMS, Murdoch-Masila and Lui. Would probably make them a top 8 side if they sign those 3 and Hill.

Nothing wrong with big ambitions is there? LMS though?

That's the same LMS who a guy on Facebook told me was one of a good number of players who deserved the dream team loose forward position before Lockers

Oh dear, it makes you wonder what some people actually watch!!

I think that may have surprised a few players!
Players knew there was an announcement coming but I don't think they envisaged that it would be SOL.
Im obviously happy that SOL has signed a new contract however, if that isn't the start of a few new players then overall I don't see any potential improvement.

The players have already been advised that the pre-season training will be the hardest ever but that seems to be the same message rolled out every year

It might not be the start of a new era as such but it will certainly help to stop the rot.

I shudder when I see lines from Wane basically threatening the players with a tough pre season as some sort of punishment for a poor season. I'm a fan who wants to see Wane stay but he needs to freshen things up bring some enjoyment to the group. Yes the players need to be as fit as they possibly can be but that should be left with the conditioners and Wane should concentrate on the work on the training field.

All the noise so far doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence that he can turn this round. I'd love to be proven wrong those because the guy loves Wigan. He's one of us and has done a lot for the club. He deserves an awful lot of respect for that.

Concur exactly with your thoughts.
My heart keeps saying another year for SW but when I heard the pre season nonsense then my head was saying enough is enough.
Without some new blood and new coaching i.e. techniques/ and or new coach I see no improvement on the horizon which fills me with dread.
I'm just hoping that with FPN, Gregson, Bretherton et al exiting that some new signings must be imminent

I feel exactly the same. I know it's early days and the season isn't officially over yet but nothing i have heard from the club or Wane fill me with any confidence at all. It's the same old. If we have so many players getting injured in training for the past 2 seasons then i shudder to think of the injury list for next season already if he is going to chain gang them. There are a few players who are out of shape and unfit but they should look at themselves for getting that way and the club should have been keeping an eye on it. Scott Taylor's love of McDonalds doesn't seem to affect him very much at Hull. It certainly did at Salford.

I've not read anything to cause me these worries to be honest. When I read that it's going to be a tough pre season I read it as meaning it'll be mentally hard knowing we under performed so badly, not that the players will be excessively flogged for it!
I wonder if they get the trip to Florida again or will it be back to the army camp? Either way, I concur that we need some fresh thinking and some new blood.

In his speech last night IL mentioned that in years 2010/11/12/13 we won 6 trophies in 4 years. In the 4 years since we have won 1 domestic trophy plus the WCC.

I agree with what's been said. We hear after every loss that next week's going to be a tough week in training. Again it's going to be a tough pre season.

Everyone who spoke talked about a disappointing end to a season and we need to improve.
So what changes are going to made to ensure that we see a massive improvement next year.
The "tough week" is just the same old, same old.
We need a new approach to bring different results.
The club has hinted another asst coach may be brought in.
Something has to improve prior to season ticket season sales first deadline or else it could be a disappointing time for the club.

Get an attacking coach in, give him the responsibility of moulding the attack and stay at Orrell to work on it. I've never understood warm weather pre season camps when you're preparing for a season which you'll be playing games in poor conditions for the first couple of months.

They'll get sun on their backs over in Australia this year regardless. If they can hit their straps with the ball in the January cold and mud of Wigan, they'll find Australia a breeze.