We invited them to attack us, we gave Burrow far much time, we started an impact prop against the best defence in the league rendering him useless and Hock was snuffed out by about three other forwards in every tackle early on.

Hock and Feka on the bench and Hansen making us more defensively secure from the start wouldn't have meant we won but it would have been a lot, lot closer! Coley, Hansen and O’Carroll aren’t gonna change a game in our favour at the 20 min mark when they come on. Feka and Hock can

Noble has to be take the blame for this. The players have to take the blame for the knock ons and the forward passes etc but Noble is far from blameless.

If he can get them up for it after HT then why can’t he do it from the start?

Stop talking sense

Is this what is going to happen every week on here.

We didn't touch the ball for 20 minutes against what is easily the best side in this competition. By then the game was over.

We attacked once in the 1st half and scored.

Basic basic errors tonight cost us. Noble can in noway be held responsible for that.

So who was responsible for the win last week?

If we play Bradford clones of the early 2000's every week with a flat attack we stand a chance.

The minute we play a defensive line that has depth we are screwed.

No it is not what is going to happen every week on here it will happen 1 in 5, when we play a team that runs a flat line defence.

Brian Noble must have sent Cahd Randall another bonus after tonight.

So bitter

Do you think he was responsible for any part of the way we played? Did he not make any contribution to the final result (and no I don't mean the 10 points we scored

)?

I didn't think we'd win tonight but I didn't expect what was pretty much a shambles of a performance. And it's those sort of performances that get peoples backs up.

Dave (back from the USA!)

So true had he not thrown that pass Noble would not be employed, still we will beat Salford and maybe scrape a win against Hudds and all will be well.

No Dave when we lose its the players fault when we win its the coaches credit.

Maybe he wouldn't. Will you be hoping Salford win next week?

people like jonh seem to be happy when we r struggling, gives him something to post, you'd think if he didn't like watching WRLFC he'd stay at home and watch comic relief

I honestly find it very hard to support a team that i think is being failed by its coach, am gutted tonight but how long must we stand for the poor performance, and poor tactics, and lack of improvements?

Not true at all quite the opposite. I hate watching it. I hate it so much i am willing to accept failure for the greater good.

I appreciate that you have little time for Brian Noble but can I ask you one question please?
If Noble were to be sacked who would you have in charge, realistically?

I appreciate your sentiments, that's why I stayed out of the argument on here a few weeks ago. I would never wish a Wigan team to lose though, it's a difficult situation.

When Wigan lose, it's all doom and gloom. When we win, we are the best thing since sliced bread. Sadly, we always look for a scapegoat and this season it's Nobby. Whether that is right or wrong, remains to be seen.

Covered many many times.

Folks
Murray
Hanley

to name a few

Would love to see Aston given a shot at a SL team.

Hanley???
would he stay for the long term...no. as much as I loved Hanley as a player he is a money grabber and would be here for 2-3 years at the most
Folkes??
Defence orientated and would get slated by some Wigan fans for not playing enterprising rugby
Murray?
He's been here and done that...oh no let me think again, he's been here and not done that.

Would we need more than 2 or 3 years?

Noble is defence orientated but is simply gash at it.

Murray, sorry do not understand the point?

well if Hanley doesn't win anything in 2 years (sorry weeks) people will be jumping on his back wanting him sacked, who would take over from Ellery after the 2 years, another change in coach??????

Noble is 'gash' at defence?????......sorry mate but it ain't the coach who misses the tackles (when Kirke broke through tonight Fielden and tommy, nowt to do with noble)

murray...you don't understand what? it is greame murray you on about?

Hanley would have respect of the dressing room.

Noble coaches a defence that can defend against a flat attack, with a deep attack the wide players have yards to run at there opposite number with no pressure on them. See the Bailey thread of last week, see Bailey get shown up tonight due to his lack of mobility and pace.

Murray who turned Leeds from nearly men to a Championship winning team?

Up and hold the line. As you say against a deep attacking line the defense has no chance, one example being the amount of time Burrow had to make the kick for Halls try, however as a player ( even I know this as an amateur) if you see a deep attacking line then surely you must make the decusion to get up fast and cut down the options in attack. Leeds line speed this evening was superb and they forced numerous errors when you had the ball. I don't rate Noble as a coach and never have done but some blame must lie with the players too, at the end of the day you play whats in front of you and change accordingly.

all your opinion that I will disagree with...goodnight god bless chief, I'm going to bed had enough of the doom and gloom merchants like you xxx

I await a response on why Murray is not up to it in the morning,

Yea, he shouldnt have played Carmont if he was ill.

Hock needed reigning in tonight and that didnt happen.

We hardly touched the ball for 25mins, by that time, the game was lost.

The unforced errors CANNOT be attributed to Noble.

The test now comes next week and what changes are made?!

Did you have a nice time in America Dave? I missed you

What championship did Leeds win under Murray?