The way I see it is a lot of this mess is down to us overachieving with Wane in charge, now we have a huge dose of reality. We’ve lost 3 international players and replaced with with 3 Championship players. We have a squad of disciplined athletes that some don’t know how to play rugby, and now they’re being asked to and allowed to play rugby but can’t. Props win pots, but ours aren’t good enough. I’d say dumbing down of the forwards by calling them all middles has created a jack of all trades, master of none style forward. (Other than Greenwood who I think is brilliant, as is Lockers and Faz).

The whole Edwards debacle is a joke and makes us look unprofessional, and very naive. Why publicise that he’d be taking over and not get him to sign a contract? I’d give Edwards a contract and a week to decide whether or not he wants it, if not then get Darryl Powell in and maybe bring Trueman.

If it was up to me there would be wholesale changes:

Sarginson can go, as can Davies who works hard but is an athlete without the killer instinct a world class winger needs to score tries that Burgess and Manfredi possess.

Sam Powell can go, he’s slower than a tax rebate and never scoots, he’s too nice and honest to play hooker. I would have loved to replace him with Danny Walker from Widnes/Warrington.

Tony Clubb is just aggression, 99% of the time he sprints out to smash someone and misses and just goes round acting hard, he can go.

Navarette, I don’t see what he offers other than someone French for Escare to speak to in the team.

Hankinson and Sammut would struggle to get in the St Pats team, both need to go.

Marshall would be good back up, as would Isa as a squad player but not a starting second row.
At the season end it looks like Williams will be gone, maybe Lockers and Tommy won’t be here. We have some good players in the squad in Hardaker, Burgess, Gildart, Manfredi, Greenwood.

We really need a scrum half who can orgasnise, get a team around the pitch and kick on the last, I’d seriously try and get Sam Tomkins back to play 7.

Williams looks to be going, if he does go to the NRL I can’t see him stopping there for long and he’s be wanting to come back, so maybe loan him to an NRL team rather than hold out for a fee then mess about trying to sign him back when he gets home sick. So sign a stop gap type player to play 6.

We need at least 2 props, 1 second rower, a hooker, a centre and a 6 and 7 I’d go for the following :

Centre - Woukd have to be from NRL but don’t know who we could afford.
7 - Sam Tomkins
9 - Brad Dwyer/Danny Walker/Matt Parcell
Props - Would love Luke Thompson, otherwise Nelson Asofa-Solomona (Might be pricey), Matt Scott as a bit of a retirement thing, maybe Ryn Sutton if he gets unsettled etc.
2nd Row - Matty Ashurst or Jack Hughes

Are there no young lads in your academy you could blood? Just look how Thompson, Knowles, Lees and Ashworth have turned out for us, just by being given the chance and perseverance. Im sure rogues will agree that none of those players mentioned were particular stand outs at academy level compared to other players from other clubs but it shows what can be achieved if given time

I think your right
For too long wigan have been a club that hasn't invested in or given youth a chance.
We should definitely follow this new innovative idea that saints have come up with in the last couple of years.

Are you really trying to teach us how to suck eggs? There’s nobody better in SL than us at giving youth a chance. Gildart, Williams, Davies, Marshall, Burgess, Manfredi, the list goes on.

Of course there will be others in line waiting for their chance, players from our all conquering academy team. It’s just needs time for them to claim a spot.

Not at all. I was replying to a poster who wanted wholesale changes, with which positions he wanted and who he wanted to sign. I was just wondering, if, rather than going to the NRL or trying to snatch players from other SL clubs, was there any players in your academy who could step up, But GG on you and the whopper above totally missing my point.

All I can say is I’m glad it’s not up to you. I can’t be bothered dissecting but Powell and Truman, why? Danny Walker seems to be heavily criticised by Wire fans for the dip they have when Clark goes off and he comes on e.g. Wakey last week.

I don’t disagree with every comment but just because we’ve lost a few games and are adapting to a new system doesn’t mean the whole team needs wiping out. Hankinson for example has shown real promise, don’t just judge a player because of where they’ve come from - Bullock, Walmsley and McMeekan are good examples of that.

And I’m sorry to say, your suggestion of props is nothing but a pipe dream. Luke Thompson or big Nelson to Wigan? And finally, people moan at re-signing players yet you want Hughes and/or Sutton back?!

All that said, Parcell is a great shout

Harry Smith and Morgan Smithies would be my first two who I think will, at some point, be stars of the Super League. But I think it’s probably a couple of years too early for them just yet.

Harry Smith destroyed the Aussie school boys but one bad game in a Wigan shirt too soon and our fans will want him gone. Same for Smithies who could be our hope for when Lockers calls it a day.

Made me chuckle that

I’d say the opposite is true, under Wane I think even Rogues got a game



We have used many academy products but I’d say using them for the sake of it. Come the end of the year we will be back to square 1 as we were in 2005/2006 whereby there won’t be any experience on the pitch so that’s what we need to prepare for, so for that reason I’d get Sam Tomkins back and play him at 7. Once you have that experience then you can blood youngsters.

With regards forwards in the academy, only Amir Burough (sic) hooker and Sammy Kibula stand out for me from the forwards, but Burough is a bit too young/small yet and I’ve got questions about Kibulas work rate.

ROFL!!!!

Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Are there no young lads in your academy you could blood? Just look how Thompson, Knowles, Lees and Ashworth have turned out for us, just by being given the chance and perseverance. Im sure rogues will agree that none of those players mentioned were particular stand outs at academy level compared to other players from other clubs but it shows what can be achieved if given time'" Good point but I'm not sure we could afford to lose over £1.5 million and owe £20 million whilst we wait? https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history

Quote ="Ruune Rebellion"Are there no young lads in your academy you could blood? Just look how Thompson, Knowles, Lees and Ashworth have turned out for us, just by being given the chance and perseverance. Im sure rogues will agree that none of those players mentioned were particular stand outs at academy level compared to other players from other clubs but it shows what can be achieved if given time'" Good point but I'm not sure we could afford to lose over £1.5 million and owe £20 million whilst we wait? https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history

Dissect away, I’ve got time to read it, it would be interesting to read it.

I don’t judge a player because of where they’re from hence no criticism of Joe Bullock, but Hankinson hasn’t shown anything, I’d go as far to say Liam Forsyth showed more promise once he got a few games under his belt than Hankinson.

Daryl Powell has built Castleford into a top team and would have the won the Grand Final if not for Hardaker retailing them and Greg’s Eden choking majorly as is par for the course for Eden, all that on a small budget playing good rugby.

Are you going to take what wire fans as fact? Danny Walker is a young lad and one for the future, mark my words in 3 years he will be starting hooker for England/GB. But if I’m honest I’d much prefer Brad Dwyer for the time being, we need someone who’s capable now.

Pie in the sky with Luke Thompson and Nelson Asafa-Solomon’s I know, but there will be other props out there, proper props not second rows turned props etc. Big boring lumbering carthorses over 6ft 3 and 18 stone, not 5ft 9 14 stone aggressive props who can’t lay a platform though they do try hard.

In the games Hankinson played he looks a far more natural centre than Sarginson to me and definitely worth a place in the squad.

I wouldn’t want Powell at the club and I hope more than anything that Lam gets a longer term contract for the next 3 years. Give him the time to fully implement his philosophy with a few players of his choice to deliver it and I’m sure we’d be a different beast.

I did like the look of Walker when he was at Widnes but his lack of size may end up his downfall. He’s certainly got a bit of mongrel in him which I like in a 9. That said, I’d much prefer Parcell who is ready made and not just a good prospect.

Really tough to judge Hankinson on his limited appearances but I certainly wouldn’t say he’s looked ahead of Sarginson as a centre. I thought Sarginson was sensational against the Roosters and he had a really good game on Sunday at Salford. He really divides opinion Sarginson but currently we have far bigger issues to solve before looking at options in that position.

I agree Sarginson is ahead of Hankinson and I don’t think there is much debate about that. I just think Hankinson looks more natural in that position and would look out of place anywhere else. Definitely worth a place in the squad but I wouldn’t put him ahead of Gilly or Sarge.

Could you not try him at second row got the weight and speed.

Not sure why you'd get rid of Sarginson?

He's played in numerous iterations of our GF winning sides & let's not forget he's a pretty decent option at FB when called up too. When you compare him to say someone like Escare, who btw I like, there's only one winner and it's Sarge.

As another poster said - there's bigger worries in the side than Sarge. Clubb. Navarrette and TT spring to mind as deadwood that needs shifting before others. We've realistically only got one proven prop in Flower as Bullock has a lot to work on and should only really br our 4th choice.

Fully agree. The whole front row needs major attention as priority along with the signing of at least one halfback (and probably two). I really hope we get the chance to have plenty of viewings of Byrne, Partington, Wells and even the likes of Kibula and Kilner this year because there’s good opportunities for them to try and nail a place in the 17 for this year and beyond. The reason for that is due to the really poor form of those guys you mention.

Were 7 games in now and watching all the other teams in my opinion we have to improve massively or we are in relegation mode.All this whats going on in the backroom with the SE and GW sagas is disrupting the club it was the same when Wane said he was going last year the team imploded. We are in a bad situation with Lammy only appointed for a season the players are not going to play to their full potential knowing that a new coach is coming in at the end of the year .We have let players go Bateman ,Tomkins,Sutton,Mickey Mac and not replaced with class players.Greenwood replaced Joel T
Hardacre is not the same player as Sam was
Bullock will get better I hope
Sammut well the jurys out on this one hes not a Gavin Hastings who can manipulate play.Blake Austin is Wires marquee player ours is George Williams .
The Sean Edwards situation wants resolving now tell him to naff off and say to Lammy if you want the job full time if you can improve the team this season the jobs yours .But we do need to do some serious recruiting for next season

Sarginson has been very good in the last few games, he was excellent again today, he really puts in a shift. As others have said, centre is the least of our worries.

He's not that old!



But he comfortably outshone Matty Smith today, that's for sure.

Sammut was superb today to be fair. He took us around the park really well and his defence was bang on. I also thought Sarginson had his best game for us in years.

Lost password for the other site so can't comment.
MOM vote on there names about a dozen players and not a mention of Sarginson.
Was in top 3 last week, fantastic again today and been very good all season.
Been slagged off and as usual people would rather run a player down just to back up their opinion than admit their wrong.

I’d never understood the stick Sarginson gets. A couple of defensive lapses aside he’s had a really good season so far. He a workaholic and takes pressure off his forwards and we can use him in a few positions.

Our one to five looks fine for this year and beyond, so it’s important we now work to try and get the ins and outs sorted in the areas we need.

I’ve called him in the past but this year he’s been superb, the Saints missed tackle aside.