Do you believe the government would lock us down for reasons other than protecting the health service and therefore peoples lives?

Beyond that, no reason and argument makes sense what so ever.

Can't believe people are still taking their epidemiology advice from epidemiologists when Denise Welch, Matt Le Tissier, Piers Corbyn and Karen from Facebook are available.

Supported by the party of no opposition.

What are you even going on about now ?

Stuart Fielden is quite the expert too.

What I said. What has the Labour Party contributed to getting us out of this mess? They have wholeheartedly supported the government through this fiasco.

Classic whatabouttery

Rather than admit the Tory’s have done a terrible job and continually not learned from mistakes, you point the finger at the opposition party who aren’t in power?

Late into lockdowns
Made a mess with the PPE
Handing our contracts to their mates
Wasting billions of pounds of tax payers money
Dominic Cummings fiasco
Christmas party fiasco
Owen Paterson case

All labours fault

You have obviously not read what I posted, the most appropriate word was 'contributed', unless you have missed it they have not once voted against the government. Anyway, back to the point I made regarding the figures being massaged, could you please explain? Or does it not fit with your narrative?

Try this [urlhttps://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-twitter-conversation-with-the-chairman-of-the-sage-covid-modelling-committee[/url

i know, thats why i put the quotation marks in

Regardless of what’s happened or not in South Africa, why not get the booster? Science shows Omicron evades our current vaccines and the booster protects around 85%.

Also, South Africa has a younger population & also has their vaccines later than in the UK so likely had more immunity. That’s exactly the reason you cannot draw parallels to South Africa.

What point are you even trying to make? Can you just reply without links to websites or riddles and state your stance.

It only needs 10% of the UK population to go unvaccinated to create another lockdown. Beds that could used for other conditions, will be taken up for ignorance to vaccination.

First of all, I have had the booster. You are like Sage, you pick and choose the bit of science you want to use in your argument! Back to my original question, how many people are in hospital with the Omicron variant and how many have died? It is irrelevant how many people are infected with it if it doesn't hospitalise or kill them! Now to South Africa, only 26% of the population have been doubly vaccinated so, irrespective of the demographic of the population more people should be catching it, in hospital from it and ultimately dying from it. The last time I looked, the UK had 70% of its population jabbed and 40% had received their booster, so there is no way we should be badly affected unless, that is, they are pumping some useless chemical into us (which I don't believe they are). The other major issue is that we are vaccinating youngsters and we shouldn't be because the science does not support it, but that is an issue for another day.

The problem with the government's scientists is that they constantly model on the worst case scenario and guess what, they have never been right yet. In order to make reasonable judgments the government should also be presented with a best case scenario and a mid-point scenario, its about basic science not about putting the fear of god into the population and ruining the economy. These knee-jerk decisions will kill more than Covid but you won't see any figures. Why? Because anyone who has contracted this disease, irrespective of whether they have died from a heart attack or cancer, will only have the former written on their death certificate.

What happens to a virus, we can all find out in our GCSE Science books. It mutates and gradually gets weaker. Why, because the last thing it wants to do is kill its host (us) because ultimately it would kill itself.

By the way, my view is not based on political persuasion as I did not vote for either of the major protagonists.

SAGE member admitted on Saturday to a Spectator jurno that they sre only requested to model worst case scenario. They have been out massively everytime. Last prediction before October was 7k hospitalisation a day in October. Never topped 800. As you say model on 3 scenarios is needed otherwise its purely Gov propaganda.

Exactly. If I did my job like Professor Ferguson or highlighted graphs of the quality Whitty and Valance produce I would be sacked.

The prediction you refer to was one of three scenarios at the time; they did exactly what you are saying they don't do.

Actual position was proadly in line with their best case, the worst case was flagged as extremely unlikely absent a new variant, which is what we have now.

Have you read the article

Every prediction they make is way out. October's 7k a day hospitalisation. 5000k a day from Omicron. And allegedly 1 death worldwide. Their predictions are now getting questiond by cabinet.

For those who take their mathematical modelling advice from a political journalist at the Spectator with a long history of being wrong or members of the Cabinet (!) - an expert speaks..........

[urlhttps://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1472935679139237894[/url

Quote ="Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy"For those who take their mathematical modelling advice from a political journalist at the Spectator with a long history of being wrong or members of the Cabinet (!) - an expert speaks.......... [urlhttps://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1472935679139237894[/url'" Interesting you missed out the discussion was between the jurno and a member of SAGE. And chaiirman of the modelling. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my- ... -committee

Quote ="Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy"For those who take their mathematical modelling advice from a political journalist at the Spectator with a long history of being wrong or members of the Cabinet (!) - an expert speaks.......... [urlhttps://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1472935679139237894[/url'" Interesting you missed out the discussion was between the jurno and a member of SAGE. And chaiirman of the modelling. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my- ... -committee

This is the quote I was going to reply with

"Science must guide Covid course to protect NHS from 'collapse' - health boss

As we've reported, the cabinet is meeting at the moment.

While we're waiting to hear what the outcome of that is, here are some comments from health bosses who have been warning of the mounting pressure on the NHS.

Patricia Marquis, England director at the Royal College of Nursing, calls on ministers to listen to "whatever the scientific advisers are saying" about the pattern of Omicron's spread and "the effect that it's having on people, their health and the health services" to ease off the pressure on the NHS.

The science needs to guide what comes next to protect the health service from what could be a "real collapse", she tells the BBC.

Meanwhile Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, which represents hospital trusts, says pressure on London trusts, including hospitals, community mental health and ambulance trusts, has been "mounting rapidly" in the past week.

"The number of hospitalised Covid patients or patients who tested positive for Covid has gone up by 30% in a week, at a time when nationally it's only gone up by 4%," he tells Times Radio."

Anybody would think certain posters are only cherry pi King what they want to read despite criticising others and claiming that's what they do.

It's like criticism of lockdown or social distancing saying only "X" died
Or criticism of vaccines and vaccination programs or vaccine passports and saying either only "X" died etc. Or "X" vaccinated people are still passing it on when when vaccinated.

Imagine how bad it would have been if we hadn't locked down or had vaccines etc.

Quote ="tank123"Interesting you missed out the discussion was between the jurno and a member of SAGE. And chaiirman of the modelling. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my- ... -committee'" I haven't missed out anything - the Chair of Modelling has responded and basically said Nelson's talking poop and misrepresenting (surprise, surprise). Hmm who to believe in terms of mathematical modelling - a professor of infectious disease modelling or political hack with an agenda? Difficult one that.

Quote ="tank123"Interesting you missed out the discussion was between the jurno and a member of SAGE. And chaiirman of the modelling. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my- ... -committee'" I haven't missed out anything - the Chair of Modelling has responded and basically said Nelson's talking poop and misrepresenting (surprise, surprise). Hmm who to believe in terms of mathematical modelling - a professor of infectious disease modelling or political hack with an agenda? Difficult one that.

Twitter discussion is very informative between the 2. He is now trying to defend himself. Time for all scenarios to be given to the public. And not the one for fear.

Quote ="tank123"Interesting you missed out the discussion was between the jurno and a member of SAGE. And chaiirman of the modelling. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my- ... -committee'" Honestly ? Seriously? You do understand what she was saying in the video WLA provided don't you and I would suggest what the guy in your link was trying to say don't you? You do realise the difference between a scenario and a prediction don't you? You do realise that bad scenarios are acted upon to avoid them coming true don't you ??? Anyway, you already have your own Answers I suspect, I'll let you get on with finding evidence to suit your pre decided answer.

Quote ="tank123"Interesting you missed out the discussion was between the jurno and a member of SAGE. And chaiirman of the modelling. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my- ... -committee'" Honestly ? Seriously? You do understand what she was saying in the video WLA provided don't you and I would suggest what the guy in your link was trying to say don't you? You do realise the difference between a scenario and a prediction don't you? You do realise that bad scenarios are acted upon to avoid them coming true don't you ??? Anyway, you already have your own Answers I suspect, I'll let you get on with finding evidence to suit your pre decided answer.

Which goes back to my original post and the explanation video by an expert of what actually happens.