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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Did he state when the alleged incident occurred?'"
I’d suggest you button it. Otherwise you’d be opening yourself up to allegations that you’re proving yourself to be racist.
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| Quote ="Mike1970"I’d suggest you button it. Otherwise you’d be opening yourself up to allegations that you’re proving yourself to be racist.'"
The thing is, I am all for innocent until proven guilty, but I find it very hard to believe that he would just make it up. Hopefully there is a microphone or camera that can clear things up one way or another.
Also I aren't interested in a witch hunt, if he is found guilty then he will be punished accordingly for it. I would hope however that if he did say it he will be big enough to contact Savelio to apologise for it.
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| We need to move French to FB ASAP.
I get that we are making do at the moment because of injuries in the backs but we are not threatening enough.
We could try and offload more but apart from Bateman I don't know if that's the players style and Lam seems to want low risk high completion sets.
I like that we have a style, high completion, Hastings bombs, outlast the opposition but the games are closer than they need to be, especially with Hardaker's goal kicking. I think French at FB will make us a lot more threatening, but we might have to wait till we have more wingers. Either way I thought Hull were very solid and Reynolds could be enough to flip the result next week.
Finally the Clubb allegations are very disappointing and I hope it is sorted out quickly.
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Did he state when the alleged incident occurred?'"
After the game Sky showed the passage of play when they came together after a tackle in the middle of the pitch.
This was while Clubb was still on the pitch and a few minutes before the break in play when Savelio spoke to the referee.
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| Quote ="Mike1970"I’d suggest you button it. Otherwise you’d be opening yourself up to allegations that you’re proving yourself to be racist.'"
It's a genuine question! If he did it then throw the book at him. My point is that when the complaint was made Clubb was not on the field so when did it happen? If that makes me a racist then we live in a very sad world.
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"After the game Sky showed the passage of play when they came together after a tackle in the middle of the pitch.
This was while Clubb was still on the pitch and a few minutes before the break in play when Savelio spoke to the referee.'"
Thank you.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"The thing is, I am all for innocent until proven guilty, but I find it very hard to believe that he would just make it up. Hopefully there is a microphone or camera that can clear things up one way or another.
Also I aren't interested in a witch hunt, if he is found guilty then he will be punished accordingly for it. I would hope however that if he did say it he will be big enough to contact Savelio to apologise for it.'"
Completely agree with all of that.
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"It's a genuine question! If he did it then throw the book at him. My point is that when the complaint was made Clubb was not on the field so when did it happen? If that makes me a racist then we live in a very sad world.'"
In his statement Savelio said he didn't report it at the time because he was going to handle it himself but Clubb was subbed off shortly after so he reported it to the ref instead.
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| Quote ="moto748"And yet we'd all be happy with the much smaller Liam Marshall there?'"
I would, we need our wingers to make more yardage from the opposition kicks and both Manfredi and Marshall do that.
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| Quote ="Rugby Raider"After the game Sky showed the passage of play when they came together after a tackle in the middle of the pitch.
This was while Clubb was still on the pitch and a few minutes before the break in play when Savelio spoke to the referee.'"
Clubb was about 10 yards away after the tackle but something gets said by savelio and Clubb waddles over and then there's the head to head after which savelio could have got the referee's attention
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"I would, we need our wingers to make more yardage from the opposition kicks and both Manfredi and Marshall do that.'"
Until Manfredi/Marshall return, I'd simply have Hardaker and French swap positions.
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| For all the talk of who’s the better full back Hardaker or Connor, I think the more pertinent question for Wigan fans is Hardaker or French?
French looks dangerous from the back, and I was glad he was out on the wing today.
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| I'm not defending Clubb and if he he did say that then he should suffer the consequences be it a long ban or even Wigan sacking him. However watching it again the "incident" appears to happen in the 14th minute, but Savelio doesn't report it for another 20 minutes (34th minute).
There were many opportunities for him to report it to the referee, just watch Sam Powells reaction!
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"For all the talk of who’s the better full back Hardaker or Connor, I think the more pertinent question for Wigan fans is Hardaker or French?
French looks dangerous from the back, and I was glad he was out on the wing today.'"
Neither Hardaker or Connor are in the same bracket as Tomkins. Like it or not Connor cost Hull that game with his petty antics.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I'm not defending Clubb and if he he did say that then he should suffer the consequences be it a long ban or even Wigan sacking him. However watching it again the "incident" appears to happen in the 14th minute, but Savelio doesn't report it for another 20 minutes (34th minute).
There were many opportunities for him to report it to the referee, just watch Sam Powells reaction!'"
Be careful Brian, making comments like that will get you branded a racist!
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| Quote ="MadDogg"Until Manfredi/Marshall return, I'd simply have Hardaker and French swap positions.'"
I agree.
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| Quote ="hesslefan"Connor head high tackle and he is sin binned. Farrell does the same and is only penalised.
Hull warned for offside at successive plays and a penalty. Wigan warned for markers not square at successive plays and only six again.
Child gave six again to Wigan on a couple of occasions only after Wigan players exaggeratedly complained.
Wigan consistently - and I’m not just talking about this game - move off the mark when playing the ball and the referee penalises the defending side for pushing them back.
Even the commentators referred to how offside Wigan were at the end but no action by the referee
More than any other team Wigan have learnt how to play referees.
Overall a good performance from Hull considering the above.'"
Connor swung an arm above his own shoulder height. He knew exactly what he was doing and made direct contact with Zak's head. Hence the reaction both at the time and at the end of the match. Farrell's initial tackle was over the shoulder and finished up round the neck. Never even made contact with the head, let alone it being 'head high'. If you can't tell the difference I suggest you stop posting on open forums as your making a fool of yourself.
As for the rest of your post. Utter drivel. I guess you missed how your team deliberately and consistently give set restarts on tackle 1 in order to set the defence. Playing the rules is 2nd nature to Hull every bit as much as Wigan or any other team in the league. Instead of trying to excuse your own team's misdemeanours whilst simultaneously criticising the opposition, why not try having a balanced view. It's really not that difficult.
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| I hope the racist allegation isn't true. Some of our fans really aren't showing us in a good light when discussing it on social media. A racial insult really isn't on a par with calling someone a cockney or the like.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I'm not defending Clubb and if he he did say that then he should suffer the consequences be it a long ban or even Wigan sacking him. However watching it again the "incident" appears to happen in the 14th minute, but Savelio doesn't report it for another 20 minutes (34th minute).
There were many opportunities for him to report it to the referee, just watch Sam Powells reaction!'"
His free to report it to the ref whenever he sees fit. Reporting it 20 mins later makes doesn't make it any less truthful.
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| Our attack needs French at FB.
Clubb can be sacked tomorrow if that’s true, lowest of the low.
Kinda feel a bit of Salford in 2019 playoffs vibes and feel we may get beat next week.
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"For all the talk of who’s the better full back Hardaker or Connor, I think the more pertinent question for Wigan fans is Hardaker or French?
French looks dangerous from the back, and I was glad he was out on the wing today.'"
Hardaker for me. For a few reasons; he is highly motivated and clearly wants that FB jersey for England, that makes him dangerous to the opposition and an absolute diamond for us and he’s proving it. He is a quality FB and was arguably at one stage the leagues best, he hasn’t put a foot wrong in any game and is strengthening his hold on that jersey.
French had a huge break at home, missed all of pre season and can go mid season back to Australia. Just because he isn’t as good on the wing as he is at FB is no reason to move him back there and switch out Zak. If he wants it, just like Zak is he’ll have to earn it.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I hope the racist allegation isn't true. Some of our fans really aren't showing us in a good light when discussing it on social media. A racial insult really isn't on a par with calling someone a cockney or the like.'"
What I generally find is on Twitter/Facebook the loud minority will speak up, generally those from the right leaning tendencies who get angry if England is mentioned last when listing the home nations.
The silent majority meanwhile completely agree that it’s despicable and is very serious. The problem is is when they call out the loud minority they’re piled on and called leftie snowflakes which is in itself ironic as the ones being the snowflakes are the ones throwing the insult around.
Most Wigan fans will agree is abhorrent and has no place in our game.
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| Thought he was a good tough game with not too much between the teams. For me the main difference was your halfbacks, we know Hastings is good but I really like Smith, I'd be starting him until the end of the season, I hope McNamara who is a couple of years younger can develop like he has.
A few players back for both teams for next week should make a good cup game.
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"What I generally find is on Twitter/Facebook the loud minority will speak up, generally those from the right leaning tendencies who get angry if England is mentioned last when listing the home nations.
The silent majority meanwhile completely agree that it’s despicable and is very serious. The problem is is when they call out the loud minority they’re piled on and called leftie snowflakes which is in itself ironic as the ones being the snowflakes are the ones throwing the insult around.
Most Wigan fans will agree is abhorrent and has no place in our game.'"
Totally agree
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I'm not defending Clubb and if he he did say that then he should suffer the consequences be it a long ban or even Wigan sacking him. However watching it again the "incident" appears to happen in the 14th minute, but Savelio doesn't report it for another 20 minutes (34th minute).
There were many opportunities for him to report it to the referee, just watch Sam Powells reaction!'"
It could be one of a few things, he may have been contemplating whether to report it or not and took his time to make the decision? He could have also been racking it in his brain exactly what Clubb said and making sure he heard it correctly?
For me it probably makes it worse for Clubb, I doubt Savelio would say it if not true but you would expect a false allegation to be made in the heat of the moment not 20 minutes later.
Be interesting to see what Clubb says, I will think more of him if he comes out, admits it and apologises and takes the rap. I think you have to take into account the circumstances, they were rearing up face to face in the midst of battle, Is it worse than punching him? The law certainly doesn’t class it as.
I’m not at all trying to defend him and say it shouldn’t be punished like some but I don’t think he’s quite the KKK member some people on social media are making out. I also think a lot of Wigan fans are using it as a convenient excuse to ask for him to be sacked as he offers nothing on the pitch (I’m not sure how he makes the team personally?) but I doubt that would be the case if it was one of our better performers imo.
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