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Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Did Rads post it?
It's obvious that I am talking about a winger and I've stated previously who we should have signed.
Do you honestly think we have spent up to the cap?'"
https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... gs-3071027
No room on the cap.
Yes GB has now gone but I suspect most players are tied up, so are you also suggesting that we pay to sign a winger?
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Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Did Rads post it?
It's obvious that I am talking about a winger and I've stated previously who we should have signed.
Do you honestly think we have spent up to the cap?'"
https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... gs-3071027
No room on the cap.
Yes GB has now gone but I suspect most players are tied up, so are you also suggesting that we pay to sign a winger?
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| And apologies I have missed who you want to sign so please do tell
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"And apologies I have missed who you want to sign so please do tell'"
Bearing in mind Leigh would have been scratching round for anyone available and they ended up with Matty Russell and Lewis Tierney. So we're looking at the players they didn't take.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-league/wigan-warriors-unlikely-make-any-more-signings-3071027
No room on the cap.
Yes GB has now gone but I suspect most players are tied up, so are you also suggesting that we pay to sign a winger?'"
And
Before anyone says it
GB's wages being freed up doesn't give us his wages to spend.
The club new of GB's departure at theattest end of Oct BEFORE we resigned French and Hastings on IMPROVED DEALS (Hint hint).
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| How anybody could complain about a lack of signings in the current climate and when we’ve still managed to get one of the best forwards in the world on board is beyond me. Yes the squad has been thinned out a little and yes we’d all love a barnstorming prop and some cover for the wing spot but we surely just have to make do with what we’re given?! Getting French and Hastings back on board and signing Field and Bateman is pretty staggering business given where we find ourselves.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"How anybody could complain about a lack of signings in the current climate and when we’ve still managed to get one of the best forwards in the world on board is beyond me. Yes the squad has been thinned out a little and yes we’d all love a barnstorming prop and some cover for the wing spot but we surely just have to make do with what we’re given?! Getting French and Hastings back on board and signing Field and Bateman is pretty staggering business given where we find ourselves.'"
Spot on.
You could probably argue that the reason we don't have that barnstorming prop is because we've signed too many squad type players that offer very little, Clarke and Clubb being prime examples.
Signing a back up winger would just be us repeating the same mistakes.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-league/wigan-warriors-unlikely-make-any-more-signings-3071027
No room on the cap.
Yes GB has now gone but I suspect most players are tied up, so are you also suggesting that we pay to sign a winger?'"
It actually states not much room and somebody would have to go and you are right George Burgees has gone and so has Jake Shorrocks, Hankinson and Naverette.
As for the player I would have tried to sign, Tom Davies. I would never have let him go.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"Spot on.
You could probably argue that the reason we don't have that barnstorming prop is because we've signed too many squad type players that offer very little, Clarke and Clubb being prime examples.
Signing a back up winger would just be us repeating the same mistakes.'"
Where did I state that it should be a 'back up' winger?
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"Spot on.
You could probably argue that the reason we don't have that barnstorming prop is because we've signed too many squad type players that offer very little, Clarke and Clubb being prime examples.
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Blame Rads for that.
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| Quote ="Pieman"centres, Field might be better at FB than Bevan, hes got good hands and as quick'"
He may be but that is unknown.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"What other questions? Clubb playing in the backs, is a million miles away from calling Hanley a winger.
The club did know we needed backup - that's what Bibby, Hanley and French are there for. You're talking about signing a back up to the backup.'"
When did Hanley become a winger? Why would you play French on the wing?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Yes, can't remember if it was Radlinski or Lam but one of them did an interview saying we had little/no cap space remaining. The only thing that changed after that point was George Burgess leaving, at which point they said they were potentially looking at bringing in a winger or a prop. In the make believe world where we don't have a salary cap and players aren't bothered about their chances of gametime then yes, I'd have signed another one. In fact I'd have swapped the whole team for the Australian national team, with the GB team as squad players.
Because we aren't going to convince a better winger than Bibby to come here on reserve winger wages knowing that it will be tough to get game time due to competition from Marshall, Manfredi and Bibby. Why do you think Joe Burgess and Tom Davies aren't here anymore? The best wingers go where they will be first choice every week and get paid a salary reflective of that.'"
Regarding the salary cap, as well as Burgess, Hankinson, Shorrocks and Naverette have left. If we follow your logic then Bibby, Hankinson and possibly Field wouldn't be here.
Who said anything about a winger coming on reserve wages? How much do you consider reserve wages to be? By the way, we should have retained Tom Davies.
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"When did Hanley become a winger? Why would you play French on the wing?'"
French would go on the wing because we have 3 very capable fullbacks and a highly ranked junior in Field, French, Hardaker and Hanley.
French has played wing in the past in the NRL. Field hasn’t he is a 1 or half, Hardaker has covered there I suppose and played there as a junior but he’s a different player now since his time out of the game.
As such I can see it perfectly reasonable to go with a backline of
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2. French
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5. Bibby
If we get issues on the wing again. That would be a decent set of backs with our 3rd and 4th choice wingers playing.
Versatility in a reduced size squad was always the plan in my opinion.
This is a teething problem due to exceptional circumstances. Once French is back I don’t think we will be in a position like this again.
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There were plenty available in Australia. Let us not forget, Rads knew last summer that two of our three wingers would not be available, so we had no reason to scramble around it should have been planned. I can only assume that Rads is like you and he doesn't rate wingers as highly as players in other positions.
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| Quote ="jonh"French would go on the wing because we have 3 very capable fullbacks and a highly ranked junior in Field, French, Hardaker and Hanley.
French has played wing in the past in the NRL. Field hasn’t he is a 1 or half, Hardaker has covered there I suppose and played there as a junior but he’s a different player now since his time out of the game.
As such I can see it perfectly reasonable to go with a backline of
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2. French
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4. Gildart
5. Bibby
If we get issues on the wing again. That would be a decent set of backs with our 3rd and 4th choice wingers playing.
Versatility in a reduced size squad was always the plan in my opinion.
This is a teething problem due to exceptional circumstances. Once French is back I don’t think we will be in a position like this again.'"
French could go on the wing (and yes I am aware that he has played there on many occasions for Parramatta) however, why would you move our greatest threat onto the wing. In my view, Hardaker is a shadow of the fullback who was at Castleford. Hanley is still a junior and Field I wont comment on until I have seen him perform in that role.
We may have issues for a few weeks unless somebody gets the magic sponge to work properly.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I think when it comes to not signing squad players we’ll just have to take it on the chin. The club has clearly cut its cloth and if it was a choice between signing a third choice winger or bringing Bateman back, I think we’d all choose the same thing. We’ve been really unlucky in a time where we’ve let some squad options go in the outside back positions that we’ve then had a flurry of injuries/absences in those positions.
I’d love for us to be able to afford to bring in a wing/centre but I can’t sit here and complain that the club hasn’t done so in the current climate. I’m happy we’ve still got a club to watch come Friday.'"
If we are cutting our cloth then that is fine, I would have no complaints.
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"French could go on the wing (and yes I am aware that he has played there on many occasions for Parramatta) however, why would you move our greatest threat onto the wing. In my view, Hardaker is a shadow of the fullback who was at Castleford. Hanley is still a junior and Field I wont comment on until I have seen him perform in that role.
We may have issues for a few weeks unless somebody gets the magic sponge to work properly.'"
I’d play French on the wing...because he is a fullback or winger.
Fairly simple really.
A back 3 of Field at 1 with Bibby and French on the wings still leaves us in a very strong position given this will only be when we are down to using our 4th choice winger.
I don’t know of any other team in SL that could be without their first choice wingers and be looking at the quality of Bibby and French on the wings.
Hardaker can do a jobs 1. Field is more than capable at 1. I’ve a strong feeling he will replace French at 1 after this season.
The point is we have combinations that can normally account for this kind of thing however with the issues around French’s return it’s given us a headache but only a short term one, very short term so no need to make a knee jerk signing.
We can keep our powder dry until we identify the right type of player.
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Where did I state that it should be a 'back up' winger?'"
How many wingers are we having in the squad on 1st choice wages?
Saints have Makinson and Grace. If one gets injured they don't draft in another, they play a kid, a utility kid that hasn't nailed down a spot yet (Welsby) or stick someone else there (Naquima probably)
We on the other hand are expected to have 3 first choice wingers.
Yeah.... Ok
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Regarding the salary cap, as well as Burgess, Hankinson, Shorrocks and Naverette have left. If we follow your logic then Bibby, Hankinson and possibly Field wouldn't be here.
Who said anything about a winger coming on reserve wages? How much do you consider reserve wages to be? By the way, we should have retained Tom Davies.'"
Tom Davies left because he wanted to be first choice every week, which was far from guaranteed at Wigan. It would still have been the same situation this year, why on earth would he come? I don't think you understand that these players make decisions in their own interests. It's not a PlayStation game where you can sign whoever you want.
I don't know exactly what a reserve winger earns (or rather a reserve - reserve winger in this case, as Bibby would be the reserve), but I comprehend that we have a salary cap to work to for our top 20 earners. We have Manfredi and Marshall under contract, as well as Bibby in reserve, who will be in that top 20. Any new winger coming in this season would need to be paid like a reserve - reserve winger, otherwise we end up not having enough cap space for the starters. Any winger who is willing to take that wage, knowing he will be in competition with Manfredi, Marshall and Bibby, is willing to accept that for a reason - ie no other SL club wanted them as a starter. We could probably attract someone better than Hanley/Halsall but not better than Bibby. Then after a couple of weeks when players start returning he would be sat in the stands like Hankinson was all last season.
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"There were plenty available in Australia. Let us not forget, Rads knew last summer that two of our three wingers would not be available, so we had no reason to scramble around it should have been planned. I can only assume that Rads is like you and he doesn't rate wingers as highly as players in other positions.'"
How the hell did Radlinski know that Manfredi was going to break his thumb seven months before it happened? He should have warned him! Armed with this information, which of French/Hastings/Leuluai should Radlinski not have retained, so that we could recruit a backup - backup winger?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"How the hell did Radlinski know that Manfredi was going to break his thumb seven months before it happened? He should have warned him! Armed with this information, which of French/Hastings/Leuluai should Radlinski not have retained, so that we could recruit a backup - backup winger?'"
He didn't. I wasn't referring to Manfredi, if you think about it for one minute I was referring to Marshy and Budgie. Don't know where hell came into it.
Tell me why one of the players you have mentioned would have had to been released as I am a tad confused? We have not spent the full cap. For the second time, tell me where I stated that we should sign a back up winger!!!!
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Tom Davies left because he wanted to be first choice every week, which was far from guaranteed at Wigan. It would still have been the same situation this year, why on earth would he come? I don't think you understand that these players make decisions in their own interests. It's not a PlayStation game where you can sign whoever you want.
I don't know exactly what a reserve winger earns (or rather a reserve - reserve winger in this case, as Bibby would be the reserve), but I comprehend that we have a salary cap to work to for our top 20 earners. We have Manfredi and Marshall under contract, as well as Bibby in reserve, who will be in that top 20. Any new winger coming in this season would need to be paid like a reserve - reserve winger, otherwise we end up not having enough cap space for the starters. Any winger who is willing to take that wage, knowing he will be in competition with Manfredi, Marshall and Bibby, is willing to accept that for a reason - ie no other SL club wanted them as a starter. We could probably attract someone better than Hanley/Halsall but not better than Bibby. Then after a couple of weeks when players start returning he would be sat in the stands like Hankinson was all last season.'"
Did Tom tell you that? Why would it have been the same situation this year, are you saying that Manfredi and Marshall are automatically selected? I am well aware that players make decisions based on their own interests, who doesn't? It is about making the best use of your resources and the Club still has some available. Obviously, it will come down to choice and when Rads gets it right he should be applauded (which to be fair he has done on most occasions), but if you think he hasn't then you should be able to voice your opinion.
You keep referring to a reserve winger, why? The Salary Cap doesn't apply to the top 20 earners, it is a good job that you are not in charge of monitoring it, on the Club's behalf, or we would finish up playing Clubb and Isa on the wing. Yes, Manfredi, Marshall and Bibby will count against our cap. Any new winger would not have to be paid as a 'reserve', as you wish to call it, if his salary could be accommodated under the salary cap. Let me give you an example, Wigan could sign Sivo the Fijian winger and pay him £500k per season providing that we have either £500k spare under the cap or if we make him a Marquee Player and we have £150k available. Does that make sense?
Manfredi and Marshall will not be back in a couple of weeks. We need wingers who can finish in our team not guys who can fill a spot.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"How many wingers are we having in the squad on 1st choice wages?
Saints have Makinson and Grace. If one gets injured they don't draft in another, they play a kid, a utility kid that hasn't nailed down a spot yet (Welsby) or stick someone else there (Naquima probably)
We on the other hand are expected to have 3 first choice wingers.
Yeah.... Ok'"
As many as we can afford! We don't even have two first choice wingers. By the way all three of those Saints players can finish, can you see any of ours scoring more tries this season?
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"How many wingers are we having in the squad on 1st choice wages?
Saints have Makinson and Grace. If one gets injured they don't draft in another, they play a kid, a utility kid that hasn't nailed down a spot yet (Welsby) or stick someone else there (Naquima probably)
We on the other hand are expected to have 3 first choice wingers.
Yeah.... Ok'"
One other point, in case you forgot, we had three first choice wingers in our squad last season.
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| Quote ="jonh"I’d play French on the wing...because he is a fullback or winger.
Fairly simple really.
A back 3 of Field at 1 with Bibby and French on the wings still leaves us in a very strong position given this will only be when we are down to using our 4th choice winger.
I don’t know of any other team in SL that could be without their first choice wingers and be looking at the quality of Bibby and French on the wings.
Hardaker can do a jobs 1. Field is more than capable at 1. I’ve a strong feeling he will replace French at 1 after this season.
The point is we have combinations that can normally account for this kind of thing however with the issues around French’s return it’s given us a headache but only a short term one, very short term so no need to make a knee jerk signing.
We can keep our powder dry until we identify the right type of player.'"
Field, French and Bibby would be fine unless French is further delayed or one of the other two are injured. Having said that, I don't see Bibby as a winger due to his lack of speed. Hardaker's not got the pace to play 1 anymore and Lam knows it. I agree, I think that French will return to Australia at the end of the season. I wasn't suggesting that we make a knee jerk signing, I was simply pointing out that Rads should have had a better plan given that he was aware of several issues i.e. Budgie being released, Marshall's long-term injury, French being given extended leave. We have what we have and hopefully it will be enough.
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