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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"I'm not having a pop at Warrington but I don't think they played as well as they can. To be honest if they had played for a full 80 minutes I think they could have over 60 points. If they had needed to they could have stepped up a gear or two.
I'm just thankful that Sandow didn't play and that Currie decided to have a kip for most of the night. Non of our young guns are remotely near as good as Currie.
I'm not worried what Warrington do or don't do I'm just worried that the impact several years of non recruitment has arrived irrespective of injuries.'" )You dont think bateman is remotely as good as currie? Bit harsh, he was outstanding last night in a poor team performance.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"
Or George Williams Or Dom Manfredi Or Oliver Gildart
As I said last night
We found something out over the last 4/5 weeks - Our Team without 8/9 of our top 10 players isn't good enough to win super league - It can compete top6/8 but it can't win it.
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We'll only find out if our first team with 7/8 players back are good enough to win it June/July - Then & Only then will we have a better idea.
9 wins from 13 given what we've had to go through is an hell of an effort from a team basically missing 1/2 it's players for the last 10 weeks.
Some if it's not been pretty, some of it's been dreadful.
Some players have coped pretty well and surprised us, some have been hit & miss and some have been awful.
But without 5/6 of those 9 wins we wouldn't be in a place to win it come Super 8's time and for that I'm grateful that they've hung in there, won games they probably shouldn't have and dragged themselves into a position that we may be able to capitalize on later in the year.
If we were sat on 2 or 3 wins from 13 like some clubs we'd be out of it already.
And not many clubs can say they'd have managed the adversity as well as we have.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"
Moe probably inaccurately I don't consider Bateman to be a young gun because already he is for me an established first choice regular.
I dread to think how we would be without Bateman.
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| I didn't expect us to win last night with the side we put out. Of course, we have a lot of players out. But so do most clubs, Injuries are so commonplace in RL, But Wigan are supposed to be one of the 'big' clubs (if not the 'biggest'), We would expect to have a stronger squad than we have. If a side like Widnes, say, loses Kev Brown, we know that's going to be a massive blow to them. But we should expect to cope rather better. Yes, we are missing our spine. But it's the unforced errors and the poor discipline that's killing us. One of the things I'm fond of telling all the RU fans in this part of the country is that skill levels, especially amongst the backs, are far superior in SL (and even more so,of course, in the NRL). But I reckon even Northampton or Wasps or Bath's backs would run rings round us at the moment. As I've said before, watching the Superleague Show, virtually every side in SL has shown more attacking ingenuity at times than we've managed this season. Wakey are an example.
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| We still have the same salary cap... Apart from Salford seemingly, and maybe Cats.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"
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| Wigan injuries/excuses etc! You are genuinely missing some big guns. A back three of Lockers, Faz and J Tompkins is a huge, huge miss. Manfriedi on his own is a huge miss. Mcclorum is a huge miss as well- when he's back, the props get some confidence and with the full back row, you have a great pack. And that's without a mention of Bateman who was great last night. (Bar the jammy bounce off the post with his grubber for the try!)
For me you've got nowt to worry about.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"
How many away games have we got before the super 8s or whatever they are called start?
Our away form for the past 3 years is poor so why do we think that everything will be cosy when we get a few players back?
We will not finish in the top 4 full stop. I expect a finish of around 6th after the regular season which will make a top before the play offs almost impossible.
Happy to take a few a bets on this.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"
And curries not?
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| Quote ="Gazwire"Wigan injuries/excuses etc! You are genuinely missing some big guns. A back three of Lockers, Faz and J Tompkins is a huge, huge miss. Manfriedi on his own is a huge miss. Mcclorum is a huge miss as well- when he's back, the props get some confidence and with the full back row, you have a great pack. And that's without a mention of Bateman who was great last night. (Bar the jammy bounce off the post with his grubber for the try!)
For me you've got nowt to worry about.'"
It's nowhere near as bad as many on here think Gaz. The overall standard of SL has dropped or we would not be as high in the table as we are, and thats a far bigger worry for me as a Rugby League fan...
If we did the treble, some on here would moan about the colour of the water carriers socks...
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"It's nowhere near as bad as many on here think Gaz. The overall standard of SL has dropped or we would not be as high in the table as we are, and thats a far bigger worry for me as a Rugby League fan...
If we did the treble, some on here would moan about the colour of the water carriers socks...
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And some people when they see tripe, eat tripe and taste tripe still think it's a steak because that is what the chef tells them they are eating.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"And some people when they see tripe, eat tripe and taste tripe still think it's a steak because that is what the chef tells them they are eating.'"
I will definitely have a bet that that's never happened!
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"And some people when they see tripe, eat tripe and taste tripe still think it's a steak because that is what the chef tells them they are eating.'"
So, your view is that only you are right, and that anybody who disagrees with your view is not only wrong, but an idiot?
If you would like to point out where i said we were wonderful, and that it was our best performance of the season, please point it out..
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"So, your view is that only you are right, and that anybody who disagrees with your view is not only wrong, but an idiot?
If you would like to point out where i said we were wonderful, and that it was our best performance of the season, please point it out..'"
you continually throw sarcastic comments about and when ond is thrown back you complain?
if anyone disagrees with me i have absolutely no problem with that and happy to debate.
ive listed why i dont think we are capable of winning anything what is your rationale for thinking we can?
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"you continually throw sarcastic comments about and when ond is thrown back you complain?
if anyone disagrees with me i have absolutely no problem with that and happy to debate.
ive listed why i dont think we are capable of winning anything [uwhat is your rationale for thinking we can?[/u'"
I looked into the stand at who was sat there.....
Then i looked at the calendar and saw it wasn't October...
Then i looked at the table and saw that however crap you think we are, and i do as well at the moment, and saw that we are riding quite high.... So, we can't be much worse than anybody else, despite having our WHOLE first choice pack missing
As i said. i have not once said we are playing well, but you can't just look at things in black and white. Its so easy to be critical, and when ANYBODY says anything positive, it's jumped upon as if someone has told you they have given your mother surprise anal....
This is my last post on here.....
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"I looked into the stand at who was sat there.....
Then i looked at the calendar and saw it wasn't October...
Then i looked at the table and saw that however crap you think we are, and i do as well at the moment, and saw that we are riding quite high.... So, we can't be much worse than anybody else, despite having our WHOLE first choice pack missing
As i said. i have not once said we are playing well, but you can't just look at things in black and white. Its so easy to be critical, and when ANYBODY says anything positive, it's jumped upon as if someone has told you they have given your mother surprise anal....
This is my last post on here.....'"
My whole argument is that even with a full team I don't think we are good enough.
I accept your points but just happen to disagree it's nothing personal it is merely a point of differing opinions which makes the world go around.
I do agree it is far easier to be critical but it also easy to lower expectations which is where I feel the club currently stands.
If we agree to disagree then absolutely no problem.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"I will definitely have a bet that that's never happened!'"
You obviously never frequented Sweaty Betty's then
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| I think that you will be ok when injuries are cleared, however I would also be concerned about match fitness as I think that the pre season may have been lost and also hope that the players are not rushed back.
It's always nice to beat wigan, however I would prefer to be beating a full strength wigan ot as close too.the nwtutebof our sport means that injuries will happen and rarely will a coach have the choice of his first team.
Reading thru thread someare worried some aren't I think u have good players I do tho think that the style of players what's the issue more than the players not being good enough.
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| A good team Warrington who well deserved their win, but I don't think they'd cope without their starting fullback (and marquee player), best winger, and entire starting pack ( going off squad numbers).
If we can get them back for the business end of the year, I think we can have a real go at Warrington
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| Trying to look on the bright side.
Last season Warrington did exactly the same thing to us at their place, bullied us all over the park, ran out easy and deserving winners.
Super 8's came round 0-22, there's still hope but we need a massive turn around in form.
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| Quote ="NSW"A good team Warrington who well deserved their win, but I don't think they'd cope without their starting fullback (and marquee player), best winger, and entire starting pack ( going off squad numbers).
If we can get them back for the business end of the year, I think we can have a real go at Warrington'"
Ratchford and gidley.have now started to gel inches halves, and would probably be good enough to get in
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| Quote ="NSW"A good team Warrington who well deserved their win, but I don't think they'd cope without their starting fullback (and marquee player), best winger, and entire starting pack ( going off squad numbers).
If we can get them back for the business end of the year, I think we can have a real go at Warrington'"
Ratchford and gidley.have now started to gel in the halves, and would probably be good enough to get in
Most teams we've got cover in props cox badly England and king can do a job not ideal but would suffice I guess. I think the one injury we wire fans dread is Chris hill, he is immense
I don't think we would suffer massively missing one or two players but with the injury list u guys have I think most would struggle no matte what kind of depth there is in the squad.
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook" England
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Doesn't he play for Wakefield?
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| Yes?
Never heard of Badley either.
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