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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Honestly you're embarrassing yourself. How you can't see the difference between when we turn it on and when we cruise is embarrassing.
Last two games that mean anything we win.
Look how we approached the league and the cup. It's all a plan'"
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Honestly you're embarrassing yourself. How you can't see the difference between when we turn it on and when we cruise is embarrassing.
Last two games that mean anything we win.
Look how we approached the league and the cup. It's all a plan'"
+ another... Take a break DaveO, i can almost imagine you leaping around the room when/if we get knocked out, you really are a strange "fan".
I'm glad i never stepped over the whitewash with you.....
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Honestly you're embarrassing yourself. How you can't see the difference between when we turn it on and when we cruise is embarrassing. '"
What are you on about when we turn it on an when we cruise? You are still not referring to your frankly idiotic notion we cruised into fourth place deliberately are you?
Quote Last two games that mean anything we win.
Look how we approached the league and the cup. It's all a plan'"
Rubbish. The team tried to win against Leeds and Hull FC and had we won either we'd have been third. They bust a gut v Leeds and we must have 17 actors worth an Oscar if you think they didn't.
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| Quote ="DaveO"Not a million miles away from how we played at Wembley. It rained then as well. Coincidence? I don't think so. I will be praying for rain for the next month.'"
I saw this coming last week. We are a quality side. We are peaking at the right time.
Give the team, and give the coaches credit.
Stop trying to post to boost your ego, watch without pejudice and ego, admit when you are wrong.
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| To me, it's just plain as anything that the playoff system is wrong. Once a top 4 finish was secured we've been going through the motions, CC games apart, in prep for week 1 of the playoffs. It's the crap system that allows this. The fact we are now at HOME in a semi final after finishing 4th shows there is no reason or motivation to finish top.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"+ another... Take a break DaveO, i can almost imagine you leaping around the room when/if we get knocked out, you really are a strange "fan".
I'm glad i never stepped over the whitewash with you.....'"
I don't know what you are on about either. I made a comment that said basically we played very similar to Wembley in very similar conditions. Last Son of Wigan then pipes up about his theory its all a plan. Which a) had nothing to do with my comment about the game and b) is IMO pretty obviously not the case anyway.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I don't know what you are on about either. I made a comment that said basically we played very similar to Wembley in very similar conditions. Last Son of Wigan then pipes up about his theory its all a plan. Which a) had nothing to do with my comment about the game and b) is IMO pretty obviously not the case anyway.'"
Explain why it's not the case? Can't you see the difference in how we play when we turn it on?
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| Quote ="jonh"I saw this coming last week. We are a quality side. We are peaking at the right time.
Give the team, and give the coaches credit.
Stop trying to post to boost your ego, watch without pejudice and ego, admit when you are wrong.'"
Another one of the usual suspects who seems to want to read things into my posts that are not there. Just what exactly was wrong with this:
"Not a million miles away from how we played at Wembley. It rained then as well. Coincidence? I don't think so. I will be praying for rain for the next month."
We played the conditions well at Wembley. We played a similar game tonight and handled the conditions better than Hudds as we did better than Hull.
Some people are far too quick to read things into posts that are not there. If I was paranoid I'd think you had been waiting for the chance!
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| Quote ="DaveO"I don't know what you are on about either. I made a comment that said basically we played very similar to Wembley in very similar conditions. Last Son of Wigan then pipes up about his theory its all a plan. Which a) had nothing to do with my comment about the game and b) is IMO pretty obviously not the case anyway.'"
We played nothing like we did in the final. Far more expansive and a far quicker line speed.
It rained that was the only similarity.
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| Quote ="jonh"We played nothing like we did in the final. Far more expansive and a far quicker line speed.
[uIt rained that was the only similarity[/u.'"
And we won, which clearly irks some...
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| Quote ="DaveO"Another one of the usual suspects who seems to want to read things into my posts that are not there. Just what exactly was wrong with this:
"Not a million miles away from how we played at Wembley. It rained then as well. Coincidence? I don't think so. I will be praying for rain for the next month."
We played the conditions well at Wembley. We played a similar game tonight and handled the conditions better than Hudds as we did better than Hull.
Some people are far too quick to read things into posts that are not there. If I was paranoid I'd think you had been waiting for the chance!'"
If you think we played like we did at Wembley you know nothing about rugby.
It Wembley we played not to lose, tonight we played to win.
I wonder sometimes what planet you are on.
Give the team and coaches credit, admit you ate wrong.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Explain why it's not the case? Can't you see the difference in how we play when we turn it on?'"
I already explained why its not the case when you posted your theory earlier in the week. The team clearly tried to win games that would have left us in third. So we were not cruising. If it's all about negotiating where you finish in the top 8 how come the masters of the play-offs, Leeds, made a balls up of it and beat us convincingly at the DW to take third? Why didn't they send a team of kids with their first team "injured"? And why did we expend so much effort in trying to stop them?
My general view is there is far too much made of this idea teams don't play to win the league games and I think the idea a team will aim to finish 4th while at the same time clearly trying to win games that would take it into 3rd proves that notion to be false.
That said how we got here from a comment of mine likening the way we played tonight to how we played at Wembley I have absolutely no idea.
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| It's one hell of a conspiracy theory to suggest we stopped playing in July so we got the easier playoff run-in
Personally I'm not sure how a team can play to lose, they are professionals, ideally they want to play their best week in week out
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| Quote ="shambawangy"It's one hell of a conspiracy theory to suggest we stopped playing in July so we got the easier playoff run-in
Personally I'm not sure how a team can play to lose, they are professionals, ideally they want to play their best week in week out'"
Easy, you play at 70%, they do it in all other sports
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| Quote ="jonh"If you think we played like we did at Wembley you know nothing about rugby.
It Wembley we played not to lose, tonight we played to win.
I wonder sometimes what planet you are on.
Give the team and coaches credit, admit you ate wrong.'"
We played sensible rugby tonight and we did at Wembley. If you can't see the difference between those two performances compared to most in the latter half of the league season you need some new glasses. We played not to lose? What sort of cliché is that?
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| Quote ="DaveO"We played sensible rugby tonight and we did at Wembley. If you can't see the difference between those two performances compared to most in the latter half of the league season you need some new glasses. We played not to lose? What sort of cliché is that?'"
We played dumb rugby in the first half at Wembley when Hull were basically there for the taking. Only a single try (a fluke) with all that position and possession simply because the team were throwing the ball back and forth and not forcing the defence inside and creating overlaps. In the second half the rugby was much smarter, a taster of what we got tonight which was perfect rugby for the conditions and the playoffs.
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| Quote ="shambawangy"It's one hell of a conspiracy theory to suggest we stopped playing in July so we got the easier playoff run-in
Personally I'm not sure how a team can play to lose, they are professionals, ideally they want to play their best week in week out'"
Correct. Life is a lot simpler than some would have you believe. They play to win and the team will end up where it ends up in the league. The only time players will be rested is in true dead rubbers or if we are playing a very poor side (so still expect to be competitive despite a few out) and they won't even be then if there is some special promotion on such as the Superman game with us V Leeds.
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| Quote ="DaveO"We played sensible rugby tonight and we did at Wembley. If you can't see the difference between those two performances compared to most in the latter half of the league season you need some new glasses. We played not to lose? What sort of cliché is that?'"
Dave you are either blinded by your ego or clueless. I think it is the former.
We ran one out in the Cup final. Do not think we did one move. We played tonight like we did at the start if the season.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but if yours is that tonight was a similar performance to the Cup final yours with all due respect is wrong.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"We played dumb rugby in the first half at Wembley when Hull were basically there for the taking. Only a single try (a fluke) with all that position and possession simply because the team were throwing the ball back and forth and not forcing the defence inside and creating overlaps. In the second half the rugby was much smarter, a taster of what we got tonight which was perfect rugby for the conditions and the playoffs.'"
So there were similarities then. In both games we played some sensible RL given the conditions and the fact we might have not managed it for 80 mins at Wembley doesn't alter that. If we learned something from the CC final and applied it to tonight this is good and as I said in my first post tonight not a coincidence. That is actually a compliment to the team and the coach. A pity some people seemingly wanted to jump on that as they did.
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| so did Wane take the reins off, huddersfield just not that good or the players have decided to go all out now?
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| Quote ="dubairl"so did Wane take the reins off, huddersfield just not that good or the players have decided to go all out now?'"
The last one without question.
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| Blake Green - that is all.
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| Quote ="jonh"Dave you are either blinded by your ego or clueless. I think it is the former.
[uWe ran one out in the Cup final. Do not think we did one move. We played tonight like we did at the start if the season.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but if yours is that tonight was a similar performance to the Cup final yours with all due respect is wrong[/u.'"
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Blake Green - that is all.'"
he does need to work on hes passing game but he was very good at the start of the season and looked better tonight
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