Morning Gareth.

He was never a fans favourite with other clubs, now he will get it in the neck from his own kind.

If he gets in the England team v The Exiles, anyone up for some Booing?????

On past form, you fellas won't need us.

Well you won't get the chance in the Widnes game, so just offering another outlet for you.

Well hopefully it will come out in time before more players decide they don't want to play for the club.

With Hock now leaving who now will be filling his boots in the 2nd row?

Liam Farrell had already been given the #12 shirt in Hock's place before much of this came to light.

The similarities in this case and Chase wanting away at Cas Tigers are striking.

Chris Tuson will take the permanent bench spot with Greg Burke and Anthony Gelling behind him. We also have Hughes who can move to SR.

oh ok, so the next time a player leaves you have a ready made argument? But of course, he won't give the real reason, cause a "deal has been done"...

Its a shame because two of the best forwards in SL were available mid season in Manu and Ellis. Our pack looks shockingly lightweight this year. Mossop, Prescott, Luauaki, Flower, Dudson? Avearge SL players at best. In the past two years weve lost Fielden, Coley, Lima, Hock and Hoffman and havent found adequate replacemants, a lot of hope will be put on Taylor, lets hope he is up to it!!

Maybe, but what is very strange is that every player I know who has played under Wane has spoken highly of him (even those who have left the club).

Presume what you like.

"Every player I know" key phrase in the sentence.

For those saying "you don't know what happened" - FFS, Wane is his boss, as is IL. You do as you're told in the workplace. Unless they've made some totally unreasonable demand such as "do 5 laps, 50 burpees and eat your dog", he has NO excuse for this behaviour.

If he doesn't get on with Wane or his methods he needs to grow up and realise you don't always get on with colleagues, but you still make sure you do your job. If it's down to a bigger bust-up he needs to grow up, get over it and learn how to repair relationships. If it's over losing the No.12 shirt he needs to grow up and realise the club won't sit around waiting for him to decide if or when he's going to Australia. If it's down to his social life and outside influences he simply needs to grow up. His short RL career will be ending in a few years and he's fast becoming another "could have".

Normally I wouldn't be bothered and say it's his life and just a job at the end of the day, and I'd wish him well, but the time, faith and money Wigan have invested in him deserves more.

For me he's acting like a spoilt brat. He's always come across as thinking he's top dog and now he's shown his true character for all to see. What a shame, he could have been so much more.

Until someone has the balls to spill what they "know", Hock has just gone into the "sadly gone but not fondly remembered" folder.

What if the issue wasn't work related?

It will be interesting to see how Farrell/Tuson handle the extra responsibility. I think both have looked better when they've played long periods so this is a perfect opportunity to showcase their talents and claim spots for themselves (especially Tuson who is out of contract this year I believe). If the rumours (sorry the dreaded r word again) of HH going to NZ at the end of the year are true then what was our strongest position imo will look very thin.

Any chance of you actually PMing what you are hinting at to give us all a more informed view of what's (allegedly) gone on?

Saints Pack: Puletua,Perry,Laffranchi,Louie,Walmsley,Clough
Warrington Pack: Morley,Hill,Waterhouse,Harrison,Carvell
Leeds: Bailey,Peacock,Liuluai(sp),Griffin

Wigan going to strugle this year?

If it's completely non-work related and didn't affect his job in the slightest then there shouldn't be a problem. Bearing in mind his job involves representing the Wigan club both in and out of work, looking after himself physically, avoiding certain substances and generally not bringing himself or the club into disrepute.

And there do seem to be work issues at play, regardless.

PM me what you think has happened and if I agree I'll take it all back and support you without disclosing it. At the moment I'm pretty disgusted with him.

Well, you don't mess with your Bosses wife / daughter / son either.

If so, prepare to be underwhelmed.

Shocking.

The comments made by Lenegan about leadership under Madge and Wane tell the story in full for me.

Sorry to say this but from the press release alone Hock is coming across as a selfish idiot and after all we have done for him its disgusting.

I do like that fact that we are preventing him for playing/signing for another club and stating quite bluntly the negative reasons why whithout being slanderous. Its very sad that a player of his talent thinks he is bigger than the club as he has probably put a huge black mark against his name now from others.

Shame on you Hock!!!

Sam doesn't have a problem with the coach, neither do O'Loughin or Charnley. Real *star* players. Feel free to whisper about something that a reserve player's girlfriend's hairdresser told you but for IL to put out a statement like that tells me that IL had to deal with this prick from day one.

Johnnie Cochran couldn't convince me Hock is in any way innocent.

I would have preferred him off the books and in Australia, seeing him get thrashed at Widnes will lose entertainment value through the season. But what a prick.

It's a good job the forum moderators didn't catch a glimpse of IL's statement before he put it out!

Unless IL was seeking legal advice before now I still don't understand why we weren't informed of this. Were we desperately trying to flog him over the last four weeks? Widnes seem to be happy in the knowledge they've signed a .

I think you've answered your own question there. Either that, or Wigan were not happy saying Hock had gone to Widnes until he actually had.