Yes people can express their views but considering barley anyone on this board knows what's happened there is no point.

The culprits will be dealt with and we don't need this thread for that.

The thread is giving the group a bad name when only the idiots who were involved deserve that name

i don't agree, many of the views here have been infavour of the group... perhaps you should read it....

The group was created to improve the atmosphere at Wigan games. That is as far as it goes. We have been able to do that, the results are there for all to see. Anyone saying otherwise is just looking for an argument. We are not violent, we are not special. Weare merely Wigan fans trying to show colour and make some noise. If it does attract idiots then I hope we can police them and make them see there is other ways to have a good time. I would say there has been less idiot related issues since the Brigantes formed.

They guy who did the spraypaint is a LATICS fans, he is not even a Rugby fan. I can give you his facebook name if you like and you can go and have a look at the idiot for yourself.

Everyone was full of praise for us at the Saints away play-off, the atmosphere was terrific. Nothing has changed appart from an outsider trying to screw us over.

Hang on - I'm not sure people are against that "The Brigantes" want to achieve. As I said earlier, the flags and atmosphere created has been great, certainly better than it has been in recent years. I applaud what they have done. Wigan RL is the world's premier RL club, and as such, needs a great set of supporters.

I hope that clears that up.

However, I think some people, myself included, aren't comfortable with this creation of a "label" to distinguish a bunch of people who appear (to some of us anyway) to want to be the 'elite' clique of supporters. To me it seems a bit childish in an "I'm more committed than you - look I'm a Brigante!" type of way.

I appreciate, however, that this may not have been the intention. But that's certainly the perception.

Well you are not speaking for me....

i suggest you read the entire thread. it has gone from talking about 1 incident to this whole brigantes rubbish which is very relevant to ALL wigan fans

Nope. It's a forum and it's a discussion. Sometimes it's good to get things like this out in the open and everyone can learn something from other peoples opinions.

When did I say I was? I said "some people, myself included" not "everyone including Wigan Peer."

But his opinion is surely worth just as much. Hypothetically, if they could get thousands of fans involved by ditching the use of the word ultras or changing some of the logos I'm pretty sure they'd do it.
I'm guessing the 'brand' isn't bigger or more important than what their aim is.

I think that sometimes when someone aims criticism that way then the response, while perhaps understandable given that they don't wish to be associated with something that they weren't involved with, can sometimes be antagonistic, which isn't helping their cause.

A 'elite' clique that despite me not really noing any of the members I was made to feel very welcome by all involved on there coach last week and in the crowd with them

I don't understand why this has carried on so long. Somebody who was nothing to do with the group spraypainted something.... what can we do? We will police it better in future and that puts an end to it in my opinion.

If you don't like what we do or the way we do it then ignore us, don't post on this thread, don't look at us and don't join in, that is your choice. We are not making anyone join us or sing songs, or wave a flag.

Added to that I refuse to let the group be tarnished with the same brush as one idiot. The judgemental stereotypes on this thread say more about the people writing those posts then the people they are attempting to describe.

I've read the entire thread. And it's pointless.

If people are in disagreement with the group, don't get involved; but don't start criticizing hard work done by others.

ul·tra
adj.
Immoderately adhering to a belief, fashion, or course of action; extreme.
n.
An extremist.

I don't think there is anything uneducated about peoples dislike of this term at all. If people attach yourselves with such a tainted term, they should expect their fair share of stick.

Merely pointing out that i was expressing my opinion, and not speaking for others, or expecting others to speak on my behalf.

What if people like all the hard work that they are doing and the great atmosphere they create at games yet have one or two issues they like to discuss? That seems to have been the case for a few people on this thread, including myself.

Surely it isn't a case of you're either with them or against them?

We've always had open meetings. On here and I believe the other site and we have invited fans to come and discuss anything that they are uncomfortable with, or can help us with. We are not a clique, far from it.

So please at next meeting come along and raise your concerns, the more the merrier. But we do need help even if it's only preventing what happened last night happening again.

I wasn't having a dig at you or anyone, I'm just saying all this probably isn't the most productive way to resolve any issues.

I completely understand what your saying but a 10 page thread starting the way it did, looks to give the group a bad name.

If you want to discuss any issues your probably best contacting one of the members.

Well said Rogues, you aerosol weilding hoody you... You should have your hands checked for paint!!

I've seen the same S2 black logo on the back of a bus which had been obviously been sprayed on using a template. I hope this is just a one off as we (as a club) don't want to be associated with the moron(s) who are spraying graffiti all over the place

We're not here to protect the brigantes from anyone. It's up to them to fight their own battles and set the record straight regarding this issue and any misconceptions.

I think the Brigantes do a great job and its clear to see a lot of time and effort has gone into to creating a better atmosphere at home and away games. Its a shame that this one person who clearly isn't attached to the group had brought all this about.

If I was to give constructive feedback (not a criticism) I would forget putting stickers all over the place as this is technically vandalism and gives the Brigantes group a bad rep. Through singing and putting on impressive displays at games, word will get around. Also add in the Youtube group, forum and website it all helps.

I would also drop the cherry and white balaclava that someone is wearing because it looks intimidating and daft, also the Megaphone looks like you are protesting against something and isn't really needed.

You may wish to use a well known video sharing site and search for "Tim Minchin - Context". When you take a word out context it is as meaningless as a word without a sentence.

Afterall, is an extremist not someone who has deep passion about something and supports that passion undyingly? You couldn't deny that a religious extremist takes the actions he/she does because of their unequivical passion of their religion, regardless of whether they are right or wrong.

The reputation of the term "Ultra" is precursive, and it's important to note that Football Ultra or European Ultra does not equal the same as Rugby Ultra or Wigan Ultra. Just the same as Extreme Muslim does not equal the same as Extreme Sport.

Pretty much agree with this.

I used to laugh at the "Brigantes" in the sense that they thought they were somehow "better" fans then the majority. It really did amuse me. The only thing "Ultra" about them was that drum which is ultra annoying - If that drum was near me at a game it would be a broken drum by the end, but that's more to do with manners rather than anything else.

However, overall they were/are harmless enough and are free to do enjoy themselves I guess. If the "Brigante" thing becomes an umbrella under which idiots can flourish, then it needs to be addressed.

There is no room for this in RL and especially at Wigan RL.

Can you please explain how you came to that conclusion? I know it's not true.

Can I just play devil's advocate and ask, is spray painting a logo on a bog wall any worse than plastering it with Brigantes stickers?