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| Quote ="seanm89"in comparison to 2 Challenge cup winners medals, i think hed lose the c*ock measuring contest!'"
pssssssst Gleeson has two championship medals and a challenge cup......
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"You really comparing a CC medal to championship medal ?
The grand final is what every team and every coach set out for at the start of the season..the CC is a bonus'"
yep cos if we won the gf, and you won the cc youd be saying the same thing! Quote ="Guerrier"Oh good.
Another Wigan v Wire petty bickering thread.'"
my point was lets not get into one, but looks like ive caught a few stragglers, whoops!
Quote ="YICKER"Quote ="seanm89"in comparison to 2 Challenge cup winners medals, i think hed lose the c*ock measuring contest!'"
pssssssst Gleeson has two championship medals and a challenge cup......'"
funny, since gleeson moved to wigan he hasnt won a challenge cup has he?
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| Quote ="seanm89"yep cos if we won the gf, and you won the cc youd be saying the same thing'"
I Never have considered the CC bigger than the championship and never will.
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"I Never have considered the CC bigger than the championship and never will.'"
fair enough in your case, but alot of other people see it the other way round! i see both as trophies and am happy with either! suppose thats what happens when your not used to your team winning things.
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| I was going to make a serious contribution to this subject but find an infantile debate going on.
Keeping this brief if you look at the SMH Monaghan wants to come to serve a period in"purgatory in Super League" before returning to the NRL.
If he cannot be accepted in the NRL why does he and the Aussies think they have a right to come here. Many will find my views on our poor standard of rugby etc. previously stated under other threads but their opinion that he is not worthy to appear in the NRL but it is OK for him to go to Super League is not one I would share. It smacks of a bit of arrogance and insinuates that discipline and moral standards are higher in Australia than here. I know standards have dropped but not to that level.
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| Quote ="seanm89"Quote ="wigan_knight"I Never have considered the CC bigger than the championship and never will.'"
fair enough in your case, but alot of other people see it the other way round! i see both as trophies and am happy with either! suppose thats what happens when your not used to your team winning things.'"
who, wire fans? nobody in the real world does
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| Quote ="JordanWarriors"icon_lol.gif
who, wire fans? nobody in the real world does'"
you can deny it all you want, but i guarantee before you won the league this year youd have taken the challenge cup in an instant, and has you won that instead it would have been a great achievement! i pity someone that thinks its not!
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| Quote ="terryb"I was going to make a serious contribution to this subject but find an infantile debate going on.
Keeping this brief if you look at the SMH Monaghan wants to come to serve a period in"purgatory in Super League" before returning to the NRL.
If he cannot be accepted in the NRL why does he and the Aussies think they have a right to come here. Many will find my views on our poor standard of rugby etc. previously stated under other threads but their opinion that he is not worthy to appear in the NRL but it is OK for him to go to Super League is not one I would share. It smacks of a bit of arrogance and insinuates that discipline and moral standards are higher in Australia than here. I know standards have dropped but not to that level.'"
Isn't it more about distancing himself from the scene of the crime?
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| Quote ="seanm89"fair enough in your case, but alot of other people see it the other way round! i see both as trophies and am happy with either! suppose thats what happens when your not used to your team winning things.'"
I don't know anyone who would rather win the challenge cup than the league, even with our past glory and an trip to Wembley on offer. I'm not saying it's not great to win it, but it's better and harder to win the league. Hopefully we'll win the treble next year anyway
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| What about us of getting of widdop as it says in the media today that he has only 1 year left on his contact and wants a go at SL and we must have a chance of getting him with his links to our coach, please dont let him go to some over the hill yorkshire club.
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| Quote ="those were the days"What about us of getting of widdop as it says in the media today that he has only 1 year left on his contact and wants a go at SL and we must have a chance of getting him with his links to our coach, please dont let him go to some over the hill yorkshire club.'"
I saw nothing in the 4 nations that would make me want him at Wigan.
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| There was quite of players in the england side that you wouldnt want in a WIGAN shirt but you would when there playing for thier club side.
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| Quote ="Pemps"I saw nothing in the 4 nations that would make me want him at Wigan.'"
Ive heard a few say this.. but if we are judging players by the 4 Nations performances, we wouldnt want any of them either
Its the way they get played at international level - we have hit a similar situation to the Lampard/Gerrard/Rooney and England football team were they are stars for the club but dont star for the country.
Sam should have been the star of the 4 nations, but McBanana used him in a totally different role than we do at Wigan.
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| Quote ="seanm89"in comparison to 2 Challenge cup winners medals, i think hed lose the c*ock measuring contest!'"
Wow Clock measuring sounds like fun!!! I always wanted a man with a big Clock!!!!!!
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| Quote ="those were the days"There was quite of players in the england side that you wouldnt want in a WIGAN shirt but you would when there playing for thier club side.'"
But people are raving about him after never seeing him play. People want him because he's English and playing in the NRL. Mathers, K. Mason, Tansey, Thorman... See a pattern forming?
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| Isn't Widdop a half? He was played at FB and looked pretty terrible.
Plus he wouldn't count against the quota, so it wouldn't be a bad move if he's got something about him.
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| Quote ="back2back 09/10"no matter what he's done as said before he was drunk and everybody does stupid things. if he came over here don't think you'd be laughing as he would certainly make us stronger!'"
Correct I'm still struggling to come to terms with "punching the air with delight and shouting 'go on' " whilst on a freebie sponsors do at the JJB when Chris Ashton scored the first try against Bradford ...
I had £5 on him to be first try scorer but cheering a wiganer like that made me feel filthy, I still have flash backs, i dont think I'll ever get over it ....a filthy disgusting act......
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| I think people are being harsh on Widdop. For me he was no worse or better than Sam during the 4 nations.
Neither him or Sam never really set the world alight yet they never really put a foot wrong. Its difficult for these guys to show there attacking flare when the whole team were limited to one man rugby tactics from a very poor coach.
Widdop is a great talent and Wigan would be mad not to consider him for a transfer that is right for both player and club.
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| Quote ="- Neil -"I think people are being harsh on Widdop. For me he was no worse or better than Sam during the 4 nations.
Neither him or Sam never really set the world alight yet they never really put a foot wrong. Its difficult for these guys to show there attacking flare when the whole team were limited to one man rugby tactics from a very poor coach.
[uWiddop is a great talent[/u and Wigan would be mad not to consider him for a transfer that is right for both player and club.'"
You seen a lot of the Toyota cup then?
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| if wigan signed widdop where would he play, would you put him straight into the first team but with roberts and tomkins were would he play fullback?looks like tomkins made that position his own or in the halve but you just signed finch and you got leuluai. so i think that not going to happen as you don't need a fullback or anyone in the halves.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"Correct I'm still struggling to come to terms with "punching the air with delight and shouting 'go on' " whilst on a freebie sponsors do at the JJB when Chris Ashton scored the first try against Bradford ...
I had £5 on him to be first try scorer but cheering a wiganer like that made me feel filthy, I still have flash backs, i dont think I'll ever get over it ....a filthy disgusting act......'"
You post in a thread on Joel Monaghan, and you describe cheering on Wigan as a "filthy disgusting act"?
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| Quote ="back2back 09/10"if wigan signed widdop where would he play, would you put him straight into the first team but with roberts and tomkins were would he play fullback?looks like tomkins made that position his own or in the halve but you just signed finch and you got leuluai. so i think that not going to happen as you don't need a fullback or anyone in the halves.'"
Widdop can play every position in the back line, long term he will specialise in the halves, but he would be an outstanding player to have in the squad.
I could see both him and Sam swapping between the halves and fullback position. Leuleui will play at hooker and I think we could easily accommodate another half/utility back in the squad.
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| Quote ="Pemps"But people are raving about him after never seeing him play. People want him because he's English and playing in the NRL. Mathers, K. Mason, Tansey, Thorman... See a pattern forming?'"
Widdop earned his rights coming through the system, he is probably along with Sam the best natural athlete in the backs that England have produced in some time.
I agree he was quiet in the 4 nations, but on the 4 nations showing you would have to say the Robinson is a better half than Tomkins.
I have seen enough of him in his first grade games, and also some of the Toyota Cup highlights to realise this lad has the potential to be an outstanding player. I am confident that he would have been a first team regular at most clubs in SL for a year or 2 now.
The names you mentioned would not have got near an NRL jumper had they been born in Australia and not been transferred over there, as a no risk signing.
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| Quote ="eelpie"You post in a thread on Joel Monaghan, and you describe cheering on Wigan as a "filthy disgusting act"?'"
that's barking!
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| Quote ="jonh"Widdop earned his rights coming through the system, he is probably along with Sam the best natural athlete in the backs that England have produced in some time.
I agree he was quiet in the 4 nations, but on the 4 nations showing you would have to say the Robinson is a better half than Tomkins.
I have seen enough of him in his first grade games, and also some of the Toyota Cup highlights to realise this lad has the potential to be an outstanding player. I am confident that he would have been a first team regular at most clubs in SL for a year or 2 now.
The names you mentioned would not have got near an NRL jumper had they been born in Australia and not been transferred over there, as a no risk signing.'"
I'll accept that off you as someone who has seen more than a handful of games from him but I struggle to see how anyone else can make a judgement on him.
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