are you serious westwood is miles better than tomkins you need your head testin

Sorry mate, i don't agree with any of your comments, if you want thug rugby then keep on telling joel just how much of a better player throwing cheap shots makes hi, also bring newton back.

One thing for sure, i don't think your coach would have been happy giving cheap pens away throwing cheap shots.

Fans of great clubs like saints and wigan should be calling for great rugby, not thugby.

He did plenty of big hits on Morley Carvell Wood Atkins Westwood, pretty much all your pack its just a few hits on smaller players are being highlighted more by some on here. The Myler 1 was 50/50, he hadnt grounded the ball for what seemed an eternity and IMO he has every right to put a hit in.

Look at the Anderson hit on Tommy for a cheap shot and look at the kickers being taken out. If id of been on the Wigan coaching staff when Briers was kicking us to death would of encouraged them to follow Wires lead. Has been a part of the game aslong as its been around and always will be.

Where did he give penalties away for cheap shots? As for Saints and thugby lets not go into Cunningham, Fozzard, Graham, Pryce incidents both this year and in the past.

What as KC, graham, pryce and fozzard got to do with tomkins in last nights game?

You brought Saints into it im just saying dont come giving Joel grief and then make out Saints are whiter than white.

Nothing, he's just really struggling to justify himself now.

Listen ken, I have praised joel on here, just read my Quotes, you will see i have called him the best 2nd row in super league(english) and i honestly think he will be the best out of tomkins brothers.

I said i hope he don't turn into a player known for cheap shots.

Justify what? Im happy to stick to my opinion that i applaud how Joel played last night rather than criticise him like some are. Wigan were on the recieving end of some cheap/high shots and he never took a backwards step and gave plenty back when the ref was happy to let many things go.

If you think warrington used bully boy tactics last night then you never played the game, both teams was playing the game hard.

You lost the game because lee briers was to clever.

We'd have seen a man in the bin if we'd have done the same to them.

Briers was only given the chance to be clever due to the dominant pack he was behind, look at the kicks Briers puts in and look how much time he has to put them in. Look at Sam and Tommys kicks in the opening 20, big men taking them off there feet just after they had kicked it lots of pressure and a bump. Maybe just an example of Wire being coached and recieving instructions better?

I don't agree with your comment of promoting cheap shots but i will agree that warrington are well coached and have best coach in super league.

The hit on Myler was 50 50

are you mad, you are talking crap, just a total one eyed biased view of the game, Warrington were all late and wigans was fine.

That's all I can think of that could make this true?

To be honest I thought Ben Westwood was the best player on the field last night just shading Lee Briers.

Louis Anderson.

One day....

Joel i top the penalty count tompkins...

Joel "attack them when they score" Tomkins

Rubbish.
You could say one is slightly better than other for various reasons, i'd say they're as good as eachother at the moment, but the thing is Tomkins is going to get better, i don't think Westwood is.

At least you spelt it right.
i think we're using the word 'attack' a bit heavily here, get over it seriously.

That kick was a big turning point and was very poor play from Tomkins. All he had to do was pass commit the defender a little more and pass to Goulding and it was a certain try. He is not a good passer of the ball and I just think that he didnt fancy himself to give the pass to Goulding. The pass to Goulding in the first half was also a shocker and blew another try which would have given us a decent lead. In big games not taking your chances like that is the difference between winning and losing, as last night showed. It also showed to those who keep saying about Tomkins at centre why he will never be a good centre and is only useful there in an emergency.

I'd like to congratulate Joel on a quality hit on Myler last night. Good to see.