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| Quote ="Pemps"[url=http://www.howtocleanstuff.net/strategies/how-to-polish-a-turd/Wrong[/url'"
I don't know what is worse, someone making the site itself or me for looking
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"He wasn't.
He's an average all round scrum half with a good kicking game. Lee Briers without the temper tantrums, but also without the ability to do something off the cuff.'"
That's spot on in my opinion matey.
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| Quote ="Chris Saint"To be fair, kicking aside Deacon took a huge ride on the back of McDermott, Anderson, Vagana, Fielden, Peacock to name a few. Its noticable since the Bulls dipped in the pack so has his effectiveness.
We see it in many games when a pack dominates a half back looks good, he has time, space and generally players going forward,- stick a Long, Tomkins, Eastmond behind that pack Bradford would have been even more dominant.
I am not saying he is a poor player as he isn't by a long way but he is an organiser rather than a creator, my step brother played with him at Winstanley College, i was hoping to play against him but by that time 1995/6 he was signed up and wasn't allowed to play anymore.
The one thing about him is he is the best one of the lot to become a coach, he is never full of his own self importance, has great reading of a game & has an outstanding kicking game.
For Wigan if it comes off as a dual role its a good move as he is certainly a thoughtful player, his kicking the last 10 years has been second to none, brings with him a wealth of experience in the biggest games and he has a steadying approach that will work well with the youngsters exuberance.'"
You sure about that?
I have nothing against the lad by the way, never spoken to him, just know a few lads who went to school with him.
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| Quote ="Sharpy_4a"You sure about that?
I have nothing against the lad by the way, never spoken to him, just know a few lads who went to school with him.'"
16+ years ago?
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| Strange and IMHO a poor move which would waste a bit of salary cap.
Even in his prime he was just a mediocre player.
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| Quote ="Pemps"16+ years ago?'"
Well yes they were at school with him then, but its recent stuff last 3 years im refering too.
Like i say he could do a good job, nothing against him, if he comes ill give him a clap, just think he a 3rd tier half back in his prime, and that was a long time ago!
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| Quote ="Sharpy_4a"Well yes they were at school with him then, but its recent stuff last 3 years im refering too.
Like i say he could do a good job, nothing against him, if he comes ill give him a clap, just think he a 3rd tier half back in his prime, and that was a long time ago!'"
But if he comes he's not coming as a superstar signing, is he. He's coming to coach and provide cover if we get an injury to one of our two (count them - [uonly two[/u) haflbacks. Do you think a megastar like Orford would be up for that?
I still don't see the problem with this, regardless of what people thought of Deacon at school, or what they thought of him at the peak of his playing days - because neither of those, to be honest, are relevant to this situation.
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| If he comes to coach/mentor then it'll be a good move IMO.
If he's coming to possibly play and thus take up part of the cap then it's a waste of money.
If injuries did occur in the halves, I'd much rather see a player promoted from the reserves get a game than have a player possibly sit out most of the season except for a handful of games.
When he's not playing for the first team is he going to appear for the reserves? Surely he's a bit long in the tooth to go from playing first team at Bradford down a level for most of the season.
One thing that occurred to me is what would most fans on here be saying if Noble had stayed and this was announced?
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| Quote ="Cruncher"But if he comes he's not coming as a superstar signing, is he. He's coming to coach and provide cover if we get an injury to one of our two (count them - [uonly two[/u) haflbacks. Do you think a megastar like Orford would be up for that?
I still don't see the problem with this, regardless of what people thought of Deacon at school, or what they thought of him at the peak of his playing days - because neither of those, to be honest, are relevant to this situation.'"
It reminds me when Leeds signed Dunneman, not a great player but had experience to help our young halves out.
Didn't do Burrow and Mcguire too much harm.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"But if he comes he's not coming as a superstar signing, is he. He's coming to coach and provide cover if we get an injury to one of our two (count them - [uonly two[/u) haflbacks. Do you think a megastar like Orford would be up for that?
I still don't see the problem with this, regardless of what people thought of Deacon at school, or what they thought of him at the peak of his playing days - because neither of those, to be honest, are relevant to this situation.'"
I dont have a problem with him at all certainly not if he is coming coaching, and if the cap can be applied pro rata to the amount of games he playes then good.
I dont want a superstar signing, just a prop will do, as we arnt lettig tommy go, so your right no superstar will come to play seccond fiddle to tommy and sam.
To be fair, most clubs would only have two full time half backs, however im fully prepared for everyone now to list the ones to the contrary!
Just dont rate deacon, never have. One trick pony for me.
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| Quote ="ksm1701"If he comes to coach/mentor then it'll be a good move IMO.
If he's coming to possibly play and thus take up part of the cap then it's a waste of money.
If injuries did occur in the halves, I'd much rather see a player promoted from the reserves get a game than have a player possibly sit out most of the season except for a handful of games.
When he's not playing for the first team is he going to appear for the reserves? Surely he's a bit long in the tooth to go from playing first team at Bradford down a level for most of the season.
One thing that occurred to me is what would most fans on here be saying if Noble had stayed and this was announced?'"
Well Ian Lenagan is still here, and he's been in the firing line several times for his signings thus far. But people still, generally, seem to think that this move wouldn't be a bad one.
I think that to say "people wouldn't like this if Brian Noble had done it" is a little bit presumptuous and a little bit trite. It's also completely hypothetical. And it doesn't detract from what, on the surface, looks as if it could be a smart piece of thinking by all concerned.
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| Quote ="Sharpy_4a"I dont have a problem with him at all certainly not if he is coming coaching, and if the cap can be applied pro rata to the amount of games he playes then good.'"
It can't. Play one SL game and his full salary counts on the cap regardless of if he then spends the rest of the season coaching.
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| Quote ="Sharpy_4a"I dont have a problem with him at all certainly not if he is coming coaching, and if the cap can be applied pro rata to the amount of games he playes then good.
I dont want a superstar signing, just a prop will do, as we arnt lettig tommy go, so your right no superstar will come to play seccond fiddle to tommy and sam.
To be fair, most clubs would only have two full time half backs, however im fully prepared for everyone now to list the ones to the contrary!
Just dont rate deacon, never have. One trick pony for me.'"
So? We will have and they won't. Will that not put us in a better position than them? Will that not make us more able to deal with an injury crisis?
More and more Wigan seem to be building a squad rather than a 17 man team. We'll now have cover, and good cover at that, for every position.
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| Quote ="DaveO"It can't. Play one SL game and his full salary counts on the cap regardless of if he then spends the rest of the season coaching.
Dave'"
That is the difference between Dunners and Deacon, Dunneman was cheap.
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| Quote ="ksm1701"If he comes to coach/mentor then it'll be a good move IMO.
If he's coming to possibly play and thus take up part of the cap then it's a waste of money.'" If he's on megabucks, then yes it is a waste of cap. If he's on reserve team assistant coaches money, then it's peanuts.
Quote ="ksm1701"If injuries did occur in the halves, I'd much rather see a player promoted from the reserves get a game than have a player possibly sit out most of the season except for a handful of games. '" Mellor has only recently made the step up from acadamy to reserves so it may be too early for him to play SL. I think he's only 18 and he's lighter weight than Sam.
Quote ="ksm1701"When he's not playing for the first team is he going to appear for the reserves? Surely he's a bit long in the tooth to go from playing first team at Bradford down a level for most of the season.'" Graeme West?
Quote ="ksm1701"One thing that occurred to me is what would most fans on here be saying if Noble had stayed and this was announced?'" Probably what people are saying now. Some would be in favour and some would be against it.
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| Quote ="AdieMurphy"That is the difference between Dunners and Deacon, Dunneman was cheap.'"
When you get a minute, post all the players salaries.
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| Quote ="Pemps"When you get a minute, post all the players salaries.'"
Fair point. im only going on hearsay. but surely Deacon would be on a decent amount.
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| Quote ="AdieMurphy"Fair point. im only going on hearsay. but surely Deacon would be on a decent amount.'"
If he's coming as an assistant coach, he can't be earning megabucks and he can't expect megabucks either. Also if he's only acting as cover for the halfbacks then he can't expect to be earning decent money particularly if he's only going to get a few games. Obviously I'm not in a position to confirm his salary but that's how I'd imagine it panning out.
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| Deacon may be past his best but he is not totally spent. If he joins us and registers as a player McIllorum might as well move out now IMO.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Deacon may be past his best but he is not totally spent. If he joins us and registers as a player McIllorum might as well move out now IMO.
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Why? How does signing a 7 threaten a 9?
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| Quote ="Pemps"If he's coming as an assistant coach, he can't be earning megabucks and he can't expect megabucks either. Also if he's only acting as cover for the halfbacks then he can't expect to be earning decent money particularly if he's only going to get a few games. Obviously I'm not in a position to confirm his salary but that's how I'd imagine it panning out.'"
If that's the case i'd say it's a good signing.
Maybe he is coming in on a cheaper salary to learn from somebody who ive heard, is going to be brilliant for you lot.
Not wanting to be an butt licker but, i do fear you are going to be a challenge to us next year.
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| Quote ="Pemps"Probably what people are saying now. Some would be in favour and some would be against it.'"
Let's be honest, I think more would be against it then for it.
Not many would be applauding BN and IL for signing a 30 year old scrum half rather than the 'enforcer' style prop most were calling out for before MM's appointment.
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| Quote ="Pemps"Why? How does signing a 7 threaten a 9?'"
Sam and Deacs = HB, Tommy & Piggy = hooker, MM = redundant in my gloom laden scenario!!
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Deacon may be past his best but he is not totally spent. If he joins us and registers as a player McIllorum might as well move out now IMO.
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Why?
Deacons not signing as a full on first team player, the only way he will get a game is if someone is injured.
From what i've heard the plan is for when Piggy leaves McIlorum gets the 9 shirt and Tommys the interchange hooker and we are looking at developing Mellor to take the No7 to partner Sam in 2 years.
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| If Deacon is signed in a coaching mentoring role to are halfbacks as well as providing backup in case of an injury then I'd be happy with it.
If his wages are kept to a minimum and he also acts as are kicking coach then it will be a good deal, I don't for a minute see him taking priority in the halfbacks and neither should he, if he's been brought into do the job that we all believe he has then it will be a good signing.
Just a prop now and were set.
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