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| at the end of the day, we are through to the next round of the play offs. next seasons' season ticket "perks" seem pretty good and hopefully i'll be getting mine again before the year is out. i'm actually thankfull we are still in the play offs, it appears some folk would prefer quality rugby all the time over any remote chance of success 
i'm not d about having the worlds greatest coach sign for us for next season, as long as its someone who the players want to work for and respect they can appoint my dad if they want. look at saints, they have mick potter - regarded as a great coach especially after his work at catalans - yet the rumours abound about player unrest i.e. graham. i'd much rather have team unity than a money grabbing idiot who demands success because of the name of the team on the shirts.
the players certainly are doing themselves no favours - we would have easily put that game to bed last week - but at least we are through. it can't beperfect rugby all year round.
i'm sure the sky tv scheduling had a lot to do with why the game was at 7pm, not IL. he couldn't possibly have rearranged or influenced the game time, especially coming up against football on sky.
having said that there was surely more than 8K at the game 
cas must have brought around 2k-ish so to have an equivalent looking south stand attendance along with a pretty good east stand, i'd say around 10k at least. |
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| Quote ="the mighty wigan town!!!"having said that there was surely more than 8K at the game
cas must have brought around 2k-ish so to have an equivalent looking south stand attendance along with a pretty good east stand, i'd say around 10k at least.'"
No chance, the south was very empty, as was the West. The east was okay.
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Folks
Thanks for all the feedback. You are right in thinking that both the RFL and clubs are concerned about the attendances at the weekend. I believe that it is a combination of kick off time, price, short notice, game being live on TV and some fans not understanding or supporting the new playoff system.
We will now be pressing the RFL to instigate some research into why a large proportion of our fan base did not attend (the playoffs are a central event with all monies going into the central pot so its only right the RFL do the asking). It's ok the clubs/RFL thinking they have the answers but nothing beats good quantative research.
If anyone has any thoughts/ideas that they would like to share with the club then either post them here or email me direct via m.hogan@wiganwarriors.com.
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Thanks for all the feedback. You are right in thinking that both the RFL and clubs are concerned about the attendances at the weekend. I believe that it is a combination of kick off time, price, short notice, game being live on TV and some fans not understanding or supporting the new playoff system.
We will now be pressing the RFL to instigate some research into why a large proportion of our fan base did not attend (the playoffs are a central event with all monies going into the central pot so its only right the RFL do the asking). It's ok the clubs/RFL thinking they have the answers but nothing beats good quantative research.
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Quote ="Mick Hogan"Folks
Thanks for all the feedback. You are right in thinking that both the RFL and clubs are concerned about the attendances at the weekend. I believe that it is a combination of kick off time, price, short notice, game being live on TV and some fans not understanding or supporting the new playoff system.
We will now be pressing the RFL to instigate some research into why a large proportion of our fan base did not attend (the playoffs are a central event with all monies going into the central pot so its only right the RFL do the asking). It's ok the clubs/RFL thinking they have the answers but nothing beats good quantative research.
If anyone has any thoughts/ideas that they would like to share with the club then either post them here or email me direct via m.hogan@wiganwarriors.com.
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Quote ="Mick Hogan"Folks
Thanks for all the feedback. You are right in thinking that both the RFL and clubs are concerned about the attendances at the weekend. I believe that it is a combination of kick off time, price, short notice, game being live on TV and some fans not understanding or supporting the new playoff system.
We will now be pressing the RFL to instigate some research into why a large proportion of our fan base did not attend (the playoffs are a central event with all monies going into the central pot so its only right the RFL do the asking). It's ok the clubs/RFL thinking they have the answers but nothing beats good quantative research.
If anyone has any thoughts/ideas that they would like to share with the club then either post them here or email me direct via m.hogan@wiganwarriors.com.
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Mr Hogan,
I believe that the things you listed are the root causes.
The RFL only announced the structure the week before, it doesnt leave people much time to sort things out.
I dont think play offs should be included in a season ticket, as it dilutes the central pot and doesnt do anything to encourage walk up support.
The RFL simpily need to impliment a set pricing policy of £10 adults, £5 kids and £25 for family's of 4. Make it cheap enough and people will attend.
That or scrap the farcical top 8 system we have, either return to the top 6 or impliment the NRL system, none of these "clubcall" ideas that won't actually get us any press beyond our exsisting means.
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| Quote ="Captain13"Really? Thats funny, ive seen you at more than 5!
You must be the only poster on here that claims to go to less games than you actually DO
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I just mingle a lot. 
You are right, though, it's 6. Cas, Saints at home. Quins, Perpi, Celtic, Cas away.
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Hi Mick, thanks for respondng. As ever it's good to get the club's view. Can I refer you to the thread on season ticket pricing policy, especially regarding junior prices and ask you for a response please? It seems to me that the biggest issue is why junior prices aren't lower across all stands rather than just the South, especially given the clubs stated aim to try to increase the younger demographic. |
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I dont think play offs should be included in a season ticket, as it dilutes the central pot and doesnt do anything to encourage walk up support..'"
Eh? The walk up support was hardly encouraged doing the way it has been done.
The problem is the central pot. If it were not a central pot clubs could price as they wished and give season ticket holders free entry if they wanted but of course if you are the away team you make no money!
How is it done in the CC? Don't season ticket holders get a home game free if there is one? Can't remember. If they do I can't see what's stopping the same thing happening in the playoffs.
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The top 8 system is a disaster.
You know it's bad when even the players are saying it's a bad idea.
And now we have Gary Hetherington saying that he is going to have a say in who Leeds pick to play
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Also I agree with DaveO that the central pot harms the ability of clubs to offer a discounted entry to season ticket holders.
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| Couldn't season ticket prices include the prices of a home fixture but if Wigan fail to reach a play off position or fail to get a home tie then either a) allow the ticket to be "exchanged" for a full refund at the ticket office or if that isn't viable then b) reduce the season tickets the season after by the amount charged for tickets.
If we used b then if we got a home tie that year we would get in with our season tickets and the money paid the previous year would cover the cost and if we fail we don't lose anything and the club can put the prices up accordingly the following season.
Or I'm talking gibberish, either way it's an idea |
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Bring back the Top 5 system for the playoffs. The regular season will be more competitive then also IMO.
Don't let the little clubs drag us all down!!
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Quote ="Mick Hogan"Folks
Thanks for all the feedback. You are right in thinking that both the RFL and clubs are concerned about the attendances at the weekend. I believe that it is a combination of kick off time, price, short notice, game being live on TV and some fans not understanding or supporting the new playoff system.
We will now be pressing the RFL to instigate some research into why a large proportion of our fan base did not attend (the playoffs are a central event with all monies going into the central pot so its only right the RFL do the asking). It's ok the clubs/RFL thinking they have the answers but nothing beats good quantative research.
If anyone has any thoughts/ideas that they would like to share with the club then either post them here or email me direct via m.hogan@wiganwarriors.com.
Regards
Mick Hogan
CEO'"
Mick, the top 8 does not work, the first two games between the top four were a waste of time , the away team knew they would be at home even if they lost, so did the fans so they saved their money.
Our KO time on a Sunday did not help.
And for the two of us with petrol, programme , drinks etc it was £50, the RFL should bring down the price of tickets for the play offs to fill the grounds.
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Thanks for all the feedback. You are right in thinking that both the RFL and clubs are concerned about the attendances at the weekend. I believe that it is a combination of kick off time, price, short notice, game being live on TV and some fans not understanding or supporting the new playoff system.
We will now be pressing the RFL to instigate some research into why a large proportion of our fan base did not attend (the playoffs are a central event with all monies going into the central pot so its only right the RFL do the asking). It's ok the clubs/RFL thinking they have the answers but nothing beats good quantative research.
If anyone has any thoughts/ideas that they would like to share with the club then either post them here or email me direct via m.hogan@wiganwarriors.com.
Regards
Mick Hogan
CEO'"
Mick, the top 8 does not work, the first two games between the top four were a waste of time , the away team knew they would be at home even if they lost, so did the fans so they saved their money.
Our KO time on a Sunday did not help.
And for the two of us with petrol, programme , drinks etc it was £50, the RFL should bring down the price of tickets for the play offs to fill the grounds.
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Thanks Mick, appreciate the post.
I don't like the top eight.
With the six I could just cope with clubs 1 & 2 getting a 2nd match if they lost. With this top 8 teams 3 & 4 get a 2nd match. That is just awful.
As for the club call, I think once fans see Hetherington making the decision it will be dead in the water. It is also demeaning for the club chosen and they do not deserve that treatment after a full season and the early play off rounds.
Fans have voted with their cash and they are not buying.
What fans are buying into is the full Super League season. Crowds have by and large held up and the games are very popular. So if fans are buying into SL expand to 15 clubs, 2 extra games and drop an early round from the Challenge Cup which again is poorly attended and reduce the play offs, again poorly attended, from four to three weeks which may require us going back to a top five.
Simply give people what they want to buy, not what the RFL thinks they should buy, then don't.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Thanks Mick, appreciate the post.
I don't like the top eight.
With the six I could just cope with clubs 1 & 2 getting a 2nd match if they lost. With this top 8 teams 3 & 4 get a 2nd match. That is just awful.
As for the club call, I think once fans see Hetherington making the decision it will be dead in the water. It is also demeaning for the club chosen and they do not deserve that treatment after a full season and the early play off rounds.
Fans have voted with their cash and they are not buying.
What fans are buying into is the full Super League season. Crowds have by and large held up and the games are very popular. So if fans are buying into SL expand to 15 clubs, 2 extra games and drop an early round from the Challenge Cup which again is poorly attended and reduce the play offs, again poorly attended, from four to three weeks which may require us going back to a top five.
Simply give people what they want to buy, not what the RFL thinks they should buy, then don't.'"
Had Wigan been top, who would you think would make the decision for us?
IL?
BN?
The players?
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why not make it top four ,the top team goes straight to old trafford the team who comes second plays the winners of the 3rd and 4th match.the competition being won by the 8th team who qualifies is a possibility ,that seems wrong to me.
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| Quote ="markyp"why not make it top four ,the top team goes straight to old trafford the team who comes second plays the winners of the 3rd and 4th match.the competition being won by the 8th team who qualifies is a possibility ,that seems wrong to me.'"
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Quote ="Mick Hogan"If anyone has any thoughts/ideas that they would like to share with the club then either post them here or email me direct via m.hogan@wiganwarriors.com.
Regards
Mick Hogan
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It is very good that you are willing to ask the fans the reasons why they did not attend or do not support the playoff system. Hopefully the RFL will do the same and take it on board.
I did go to the match on Sunday but as I mentioned before on this thread my sister and nephew (both season ticket holders) did not purely because of the kick off time. I noticed that a lot of people that normally attend with chidren also stayed away. I appreciate that it was for reasons of TV coverage but I think that the RFL should ditch the late sunday evening game in future.
The playoff system needs to change as well for two important reasons.
1)The games involving the top four teams are a waste of time as no teams go out as a result of them. That is why fans won't attend in large numbers, if it costs two of you £50 to attend a playoff game and you know you will have at least one more to watch you will save your £50 for a match that matters. So matches where no team goes out should not occur in my opinion.
2)The 8th placed team making the playoffs has been a source of annoyance for fans (as well as some chairmen) ever since it was first announced. The idea that a team in the bottom half of the table can end up as champions is ridiculous and should not be continued.
I think a better system would be as follows.(Was suggested by a poster on another forum)
7 teams qualify for the playoffs. 1st placed team gets a bye in week 1.
Week 1
2nd v 7th
3rd v 6th
4th v 5th
The three winners go through. The losers are eliminated.
Semi finals
1st v lowest placed winner from week 1
Highest placed winner from week 1 v other winner from wk 1
Winners of these go to Grand Final
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It is very good that you are willing to ask the fans the reasons why they did not attend or do not support the playoff system. Hopefully the RFL will do the same and take it on board.
I did go to the match on Sunday but as I mentioned before on this thread my sister and nephew (both season ticket holders) did not purely because of the kick off time. I noticed that a lot of people that normally attend with chidren also stayed away. I appreciate that it was for reasons of TV coverage but I think that the RFL should ditch the late sunday evening game in future.
The playoff system needs to change as well for two important reasons.
1)The games involving the top four teams are a waste of time as no teams go out as a result of them. That is why fans won't attend in large numbers, if it costs two of you £50 to attend a playoff game and you know you will have at least one more to watch you will save your £50 for a match that matters. So matches where no team goes out should not occur in my opinion.
2)The 8th placed team making the playoffs has been a source of annoyance for fans (as well as some chairmen) ever since it was first announced. The idea that a team in the bottom half of the table can end up as champions is ridiculous and should not be continued.
I think a better system would be as follows.(Was suggested by a poster on another forum)
7 teams qualify for the playoffs. 1st placed team gets a bye in week 1.
Week 1
2nd v 7th
3rd v 6th
4th v 5th
The three winners go through. The losers are eliminated.
Semi finals
1st v lowest placed winner from week 1
Highest placed winner from week 1 v other winner from wk 1
Winners of these go to Grand Final
With that system all games have survival at stake so should appeal to fans. The team in 1st gets a reward and nobody else does so more incentive/reward for being top of the table. Also only teams in the top half get a shot at the championship. | |
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I think its quite obvious the play off system this year isn't working and is just going to get worse with the introduction of the choice system and the involvement of chairmen/owners.
I think the best idea ive heard and the one i tend to agree with is the top 4, as the league winner should be rewarded and if you finish 8th you shouldnt be winning anything really.
Shortening the paly offs by a week or 2 would perhaps allow time in the year for the re-birth of the County of Origin, which i would love to see.
What needs to change, if i understand it correctly, is the central money pot which is obviously a dis-incentive to the bigger teams. Why should they do everything they can to attract the bigger crowds generating money for the pot of which Leeds or Saints are going to take the largest chunk. Hence the lack of marketing for Sunday.
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| Nov 2003 | 21 years | |
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| Feb 2020 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
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| Quote ="B.B.F.L."Why should they do everything they can to attract the bigger crowds generating money for the pot of which Leeds or Saints are going to take the largest chunk. Hence the lack of marketing for Sunday.'"
the money goes into a central pot that the RFL shares out depending on final positions. if any club contributes more to the pot, they get more out of it at the end. |
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