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| Quote ="YICKER"well i was speaking someone at murryfield who was told by ainscough's dad that if he plays more than 10 games his money goes up'"
Well A he deserves it B Wigan should of known it when they signed Gleeson and C we shouldnt be prevented from playing young british players. If it is the reason it is a disgrace
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| I think its really unfair on SA and shows that BN didnt have much faith in his ability to break the first team and have such an impact but as good as many knew he was not many expected him to tear it up so much, BN also said S.Tomkins would only get 10 games this season i wonder if his deal is similar and they are obvioulsy going to have to bump up his wage.
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| Quote ="SiY"There must be a reason Nobby is keeping Ainscough out. Ok maybe a little stint out the first team side to keep him fresh, but if Shaun doesn't feature again in this season it will be an outrage.'"
I have heard that its due to Seans contract, once he make a certain amount of 1st team games then his wage increases. This wouldve been fine if it where not for the signing of a Mr gleeson which by all accounts has taken us to the limit of the salary cap.
As a result noble is probably saving sean for when injurys hit the squad.
could be wrong but thats what i heard
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| Hmm, then maybe Noble is waiting for the right time to use him. It's a shame, i wouldn't think it would go up soo much.
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| so lets not use our best players cause there money goes up sounds about right ,,,, so if we cant play super leagues top try scorer cause his money goes up there s some thing wrong there
spoke to sean last week on facebook said to him he might of had a field day again st saints , an he said he was happy enough with the win fair play to him,
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| Quote ="Jukesays"No!
SOME PEOPLE WANTED HIS HEAD ON A STICK!
Not all of us!
And TBH it doesnt matter if someone did or didn't.
It still stands, Noble should pick the team he thinks will win that game. He will live & Die by that decision.'"
so your saying ainscough s not earned is place in the 17 mr brian noble lover
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| We have to go with Noble on this.
The decision is his.
Personally I might have gone with Ainscough, but tbh his defence needs improving (it's no good scoring 4 and letting 3 in).
He has time on his side though. Fix his defence (and work out a strat vs the high cross kick) and he could be an all time great. I rate him that highly.
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| Quote ="shooter69"so your saying ainscough s not earned is place in the 17 mr brian noble lover'"
Stop being childish. He hasn't said that at all, and you know he hasn't.
There's no need to get hot under the collar just because someone disagrees with you. Not everyone on here likes this decision by Noble, but others have given perfectly valid reasons why they're prepared to trust him on this one.
Noble's job is far from being safe. He's selecting sides that he thinks will win matches for us. He can't afford to be vindictive.
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| Please not Riddell though, he obviously isnt fit, he should be given time to recover and get match fit again, not risking him in a cup match!
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| Quote ="RB"icon_lol.gif at this anti-Noble bile just a few days after he masterminded our biggest win against Saints for about 5 years.
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Don't forget that he's masterminded some of our biggest defeats against Saints...and I've still not recovered from the semi final defeat against Catalans. One swallow does not bend its back to make the cabbage and all that.
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| Quote ="Salty"Don't forget that he's masterminded some of our biggest defeats against Saints...and I've still not recovered from the semi final defeat against Catalans. One swallow does not bend its back to make the cabbage and all that.'"
The defeat against Catalans was 2 years ago. Get over it.
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| Quote ="RB"The defeat against Catalans was 2 years ago. Get over it.
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I can't. I couldn't believe we could play like that in a semi. It was horrendous.
I've still not got over the video ref's decision of disallowing Richard's try in the right hand corner at Wakefield.
One good thing that sticks in my mind as unbelievable, like the above two, was Joe Lydon's drop goal from 65 yards.
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| Quote ="Madderzahatter"Noble can't seem to do anything right. I was as disappointed as anyone not to see SA in the team for Saints, but i hold my hands up. It was the right decision. As for Wakefield, we all know that Kear is a decent tactician and i'd hate to see SA get murdered by Wakey's kicking game. Seeing that it's a cup game I'm not surprised Noble has decided to leave him out.'"
You are either Eddie Hemmings or Brian Noble and I claim my £10.00!!!
How can you possibly say Noble's selection was vindicated just because we won? Not playing ainscough didn't make the difference, the team playing for once did!! Ainny would have scored both of the tries paddy did, so the only difference would have been would pat have kicked 7 from 7 playing full back?!?! Oooohhhhh, somehow i think he might not have you know!! :lol
Thus, Ainny being dropped had no bearing, who says he wouldnt have scored 4 had he played and we'da put 50 on saints
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Surely that can't happen the way that the triangle of Smith, Leuluai and Sam are playing and rotating along with a starting hooker.
It wouldn't suprise me though as i'm not sure if Noble will have the nuts to tell Riddell he'll have to wait his chance for a place.'"
Will he heckers like..........Aussie Favourates will keep their place over young talent. Riddell for me shouldnt make the 17 in the form he's shown this season...he bearly does as many minutes as feka FFS and has little or no impact!! I would bet £100 though that one of Mcillurum or Sam Tompkins will miss out on sat!! This is Mr NoBalls we are talking about!!
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| Quote ="cmscwarn"I have heard that its due to Seans contract, once he make a certain amount of 1st team games then his wage increases. This wouldve been fine if it where not for the signing of a Mr gleeson which by all accounts has taken us to the limit of the salary cap.
As a result noble is probably saving sean for when injurys hit the squad.
could be wrong but thats what i heard'"
tbh i think this is close to the truth, but not quite. As far as I understand it if a player plays over 12 games he has to be counted for 20:20 or 25:20 or 'god knows what it is now' purposes the following season! Therefore there may be some truth in this as it may be the case that we dont want to play sam and shaun too much so they will not be entitled to such an increase in wages next season.
If thats the case its still a disgrace IMO as we're expecting them both to hang around next season, while they are both EASILY up to the standard of SL and remain on their paltry wages of approximately 10-12k per year!!!! Especially when we still have wasters in the club like Karl Pryce, Riddell (on current showing) etc. We're just asking for union to come and poach them and we'll lose two of wigans best looking products for the last 10 years for a lazy 5hyte of a jolly green giant and a Pie advert!!
Quote ="cherrywarrior"Please not Riddell though, he obviously isnt fit, he should be given time to recover and get match fit again, not risking him in a cup match!'"
Will (or has) the fat man ever be(en) fit?!?!
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| Same 17. Don't see the problem.
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"You are either Eddie Hemmings or Brian Noble and I claim my £10.00!!!
How can you possibly say Noble's selection was vindicated just because we won? Not playing ainscough didn't make the difference, the team playing for once did!! Ainny would have scored both of the tries paddy did, so the only difference would have been would pat have kicked 7 from 7 playing full back?!?! Oooohhhhh, somehow i think he might not have you know!!
:lol
Thus, Ainny being dropped had no bearing, who says he wouldnt have scored 4 had he played and we'da put 50 on saints'"
And you know that how? Crystal ball? See into the alternate realities that co-exist with ours? Expert in quantum physics and choas theory are we? (just pulling your leg btw!) However we can't just ignore the fact that a 6' 4" Pat Richards at full stretch only just got to one of them for a start!
Look, I'm not saying we would/wouldn't have been any better/worse with Ainscough in the side. Just like you, I couldn't possibly know!
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"tbh i think this is close to the truth, but not quite. As far as I understand it if a player plays over 12 games he has to be counted for 20:20 or 25:20 or 'god knows what it is now' purposes the following season! Therefore there may be some truth in this as it may be the case that we dont want to play sam and shaun too much so they will not be entitled to such an increase in wages next season.
If thats the case its still a disgrace IMO as we're expecting them both to hang around next season, while they are both EASILY up to the standard of SL and remain on their paltry wages of approximately 10-12k per year!!!! Especially when we still have wasters in the club like Karl Pryce, Riddell (on current showing) etc. We're just asking for union to come and poach them and we'll lose two of wigans best looking products for the last 10 years for a lazy 5hyte of a jolly green giant and a Pie advert!!
Will (or has) the fat man ever be(en) fit?!?!'"
All you're doing is ranting - and from a position of what sounds suspiciously like complete ignorance. I'm sure those salaries you quote have been plucked from thin air.
Just for the record, Sam and Mike Mc are both in the squad. Pryce isn't.
I'm not Noble's biggest fan, but your schoolboy tone is actually pushing me into his corner.
Can you not see that there's at least a case for selecting the same team that butchered the league leaders last week?
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"tbh i think this is close to the truth, but not quite. As far as I understand it if a player plays over 12 games he has to be counted for 20:20 or 25:20 or 'god knows what it is now' purposes the following season! Therefore there may be some truth in this as it may be the case that we dont want to play sam and shaun too much so they will not be entitled to such an increase in wages next season.
If thats the case its still a disgrace IMO as we're expecting them both to hang around next season, while they are both EASILY up to the standard of SL and remain on their paltry wages of approximately 10-12k per year!!!! Especially when we still have wasters in the club like Karl Pryce, Riddell (on current showing) etc. We're just asking for union to come and poach them and we'll lose two of wigans best looking products for the last 10 years for a lazy 5hyte of a jolly green giant and a Pie advert!!
Will (or has) the fat man ever be(en) fit?!?!'"
There is no 20:20 or 25:20 anymore
Riddell is a class player, Pryce is coming back from a serious injury.
I suppose you think we should have matched Northamptons offer for Ashton, who by the way has been dropped for disciplinary reasons, and also kept one trick Mick.
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| It's only right, should be the same team as Saint's! Riddell shouldn't be picked in my eyes.
Seriously people are worrying over Ainsy!!!
Don't.... Speak to the lad, his heart and soul is with this club, he's over the moon at being up for a chance of selection at his age, nevermind the fact he loves training with all the top guys and that.. Going no where!!!!
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| Quote ="Mark1987"It's only right, should be the same team as Saint's! Riddell shouldn't be picked in my eyes.
Seriously people are worrying over Ainsy!!!
Don't.... Speak to the lad, his heart and soul is with this club, he's over the moon at being up for a chance of selection at his age, nevermind the fact he loves training with all the top guys and that.. Going no where!!!!'"
For now....give him the treatment noble is for the rest of the season and he'll be playing RU or for wire or saints next season...and who could blame him.
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"For now....give him the treatment noble is for the rest of the season and he'll be playing RU or for wire or saints next season...and who could blame him.'"
And you know this how?
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"For now....give him the treatment noble is for the rest of the season and he'll be playing RU or for wire or saints next season...and who could blame him.'"
Given he is contracted to us for next year i doubt that will be the case. I have been championing the kid for a while now i think he should have played last year, but i can understand why he is not picked, as can he it seems.
Next year he must be a first choice pick, this year i can appreciate that he may have to sit out a few rounds.
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| Quote ="The Jolly Ginger Giant"And you know this how?'"
Your right i don't, but im making the assumption on a past knowledge that talent like ainscough wont hang around not getting chances when they are clearly deserved.
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