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| I'd drop Mcilorum and put smith on the bench
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"????????????? hes not in the squad
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Or the club
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| Quote ="cadoo"Yes I would. Two players who are playing out of position and against Saints were still two of our better players. So I would like to see what they can do in their natural positions.
Thomas Leuluai played against Saints like a hooker. Instead of running out wide he took them on up the middle and caused them all sorts of problems. Just take a break he made in the first half as an example, jinking his way through the middle of the Saints pack and if he had seen Phelps on his inside we would have scored. New Zealand recognised that Leuluai was a much better player at hooker than at scrum half and from when they made that change we saw a different Leuluai and a different New Zealand team. The same applies to Wigan.
Cameron Phelps showed characteristics of a stand off on Thursday which incidentally is where the Aussies really rate him. He took the pressure of Leuluai/Tomkins with his kicks which were far more accurate and precise than Leuluai's or Tomkins in the first half. Our tactics were to kick early in the tackle count which is fine but we weren't making enough ground when we were kicking for touch. With Phelps we did and had Saints on the back foot. He also showed good support play last night which we don't have with Richards and linked up in attack a lot more. His bullet pass for Ainscough to score was fantastic and highlighted to me that this lad would/is a damn good stand off. He also made some cracking offloads in the first half on his kick returns, spinning in the tackle and allowing us to make breaks and confuse the Saints defence. Okay he was hit and miss fielding high kicks - the one which led to Pryce's try but that again further highlights to me why he is more suited to six rather than centre, fullback or wing. Yes he can play all them positions but IMO he is better at six. Also moving Phelps to six will allow Tomkins to play in his preferred position at scrum half. We would see a much better Sam Tomkins if he was played at scrum half.'"
you are spot on with this.
I would be tempted to put sam at 7 and phelps at 6 with tommy starting on the bench and taking the field after 20 mins. The difficulty here is that tommy could play the full 80 at 9 meaning riddell is surplus especially given that riddell doesnt play like an impact hooker. His style is that of a first 20 mins starting hooker
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| I am baffled with this Hock story as some people claim he is in France.
If some of our fans are spreading crap about our best ( and local) lads I am disgusted.
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"I am baffled with this Hock story as some people claim he is in France.
If some of our fans are spreading crap about our best ( and local) lads I am disgusted.'"
It's best to ignore these stories, I find. Gaz is an easy lad to spread rumours about, because almost anything can be believed.
According to the rumourists, he wasn't playing last Thursday - as he'd supposedly 'disappeared'.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"It's best to ignore these stories, I find. Gaz is an easy lad to spread rumours about, because almost anything can be believed.
According to the rumourists, he wasn't playing last Thursday - as he'd supposedly 'disappeared'.'"
Really? That's a great rumour!
Will be interesting to see if he turns out - you'd assume that the club ask for the passports at least the week before so I'd be surprised if he didn't run out onto the pitch, injuries aside.
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"I am baffled with this Hock story as some people claim he is in France.
If some of our fans are spreading crap about our best ( and local) lads I am disgusted.'"
who are you getting disgusted with??? gaz hock is in wigan. not a 100% about the passport story but he is not injured apparently. just spoke to one of the players he is not there. RIGHT??? get it now???
also carmont injured not playing. phelps doubtfull will see tomorrow if he passes a late fitness test and richards 90% sure he is playing after training today. people who know sod all should be quiet!!!
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| Right thanks
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| Quote ="clifford"who are you getting disgusted with??? gaz hock is in wigan. not a 100% about the passport story but he is not injured apparently. just spoke to one of the players he is not there. RIGHT??? get it now???
also carmont injured not playing. phelps doubtfull will see tomorrow if he passes a late fitness test and richards 90% sure he is playing after training today. people who know sod all should be quiet!!!'"
dont mean to sound offensive but i am only passing on what i have been told , also there is quite a lot of stuff on facebook about it (depending on who your mates with ) believe me i would like nothing more than for hock to be in the starting line up tomorrow. great player . hope the passport thing is just a rumour though. I dont get told too much!! just team news . maybe its all a big wind up but thats what i was told and nothing else.
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| Quote ="clifford"Hock not got on plane - not got a passport.
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who are you getting disgusted with??? gaz hock is in wigan. not a 100% about the passport story but he is not injured apparently. just spoke to one of the players he is not there. RIGHT??? get it now???
Which is right then?
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"who are you getting disgusted with??? gaz hock is in wigan. not a 100% about the passport story but he is not injured apparently. just spoke to one of the players he is not there. RIGHT??? get it now???
Which is right then?'"
he is not there - source said think its to do with his passport because he was training as usual during the week. but did not elaborate on this and to be honest mate i am not bloody going to ask again. me mrs is mates with a few of the girls who go out with a couple of the players and on facebook and passport was mentioned but in.t a kind of jokey way - so who knows??? i suppose if he was injured he could of pulled out last minute and its just a joke about the passport thing.
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| Quote ="EastStandFaithful"who are you getting disgusted with??? gaz hock is in wigan. not a 100% about the passport story but he is not injured apparently. just spoke to one of the players he is not there. RIGHT??? get it now???
Which is right then?'"
i initially said it was because of passport then i did change it too not 100% sure because it could be a wind up. whick too be honest i hope it is. hock is needed tomorrow.
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| Quote ="clifford"i initially said it was because of passport then i did change it too not 100% sure because it could be a wind up. whick too be honest i hope it is. hock is needed tomorrow.'"
I heard that passport rumour too mate in pub last night in town from a lad who know somone that plays in the reserves. probably just rumours but he isnt there because he has been spotted.
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| If this passport thing is true, someone in the backroom of the club, possibly the club secretary needs a good talking to at the very least, he/she should have all player/backroom staff passports 2 weeks ago so if there is a problem / lost passport another could be ordered.
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| Quote ="clifford"who are you getting disgusted with??? gaz hock is in wigan. not a 100% about the passport story but he is not injured apparently. just spoke to one of the players he is not there. RIGHT??? get it now???
also carmont injured not playing. phelps doubtfull will see tomorrow if he passes a late fitness test and richards 90% sure he is playing after training today. people who know sod all should be quiet!!!'"
You were spot on with the team for St.helens so your gaining some credibility in what you say.
Carmont not playing I might have expected. Brilliant news about Pat if he can play or is even close to playing after the rumour about him being injured for 4-6 weeks.
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| Quote ="cadoo"You were spot on with the team for St.helens so your gaining some credibility in what you say.
Carmont not playing I might have expected. Brilliant news about Pat if he can play or is even close to playing after the rumour about him being injured for 4-6 weeks.'"
pryce playing if phelps not and coley and fielden starting.
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| Quote ="clifford"pryce playing if phelps not
and coley and fielden starting.'"
After recent performances he would be lucky to make the bench if anyone other than Noble were coach
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After recent performances he would be lucky to make the bench if anyone other than Noble were coach'"
i agree, like i said before any other of the props would have been dropped. but not fielden. what message does this give to the rest of the players?
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| Quote ="clifford"pryce playing if phelps not
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Roberts
Pryce
Goulding
Gleeson
Ainscough
Something like that I would imagine.
I would have dropped Fielden but who do you replace him with?
I expect a team sheet tomorrow Clifford
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| Quote ="cadoo"Roberts
Pryce
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Something like that I would imagine.
I would have dropped Fielden but who do you replace him with?
I expect a team sheet tomorrow Clifford
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i feel a bit of pressure on now . maybe not drop Fielden but Prescott to start.
thinking about it i am certain pat will play because if he was to be out with injury for 3/4 weeks why take him to France? credit crunch and all that they would have included somone else in the 19.
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| Quote ="clifford"he is not there - source said think its to do with his passport because he was training as usual during the week. but did not elaborate on this and to be honest mate i am not bloody going to ask again. me mrs is mates with a few of the girls who go out with a couple of the players and on facebook and passport was mentioned but in.t a kind of jokey way - so who knows??? i suppose if he was injured he could of pulled out last minute and its just a joke about the passport thing.'"
He is in France. Wigan are trying to get him fit to play v Cats. Personally, I do not think they will but who knows. What I do know is that whoever told you he is Wigan is winding you up. If he did play v Cats you are going to look silly. Some friend.
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| Quote ="clifford"Hock not got on plane - not got a passport.
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He went to Lanzarote though. He misplaced and found his passport
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| Quote ="clifford"i feel a bit of pressure on now
. maybe not drop Fielden but Prescott to start.
thinking about it i am certain pat will play because if he was to be out with injury for 3/4 weeks why take him to France? credit crunch and all that
they would have included somone else in the 19.'"
they did, he isnt in the 19:
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/preview.php?id=3689[/url
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| Quote ="sundayroast"He is in France. Wigan are trying to get him fit to play v Cats. Personally, I do not think they will but who knows. What I do know is that whoever told you he is Wigan is winding you up. If he did play v Cats you are going to look silly. Some friend.'"
he must be staying in a different hotel than the team then. oh and by the way i wont look or feel silly at all. i am just repeating what was told to me by some one who is with the team. if they are trying to get him fit then its at a different place than the rest of the team have been training today and they are keeping it a secret from the rest of the squad
may be thats the new game plan - isolate a player from his team mates, dont tell them where he is, dont let him stay at the same hotel or train with them and then surprise surprise up he pops, starting on Monday. "Hello Hocky - nice surprise to see you".
who has told you this????
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| Hock is though - and no Pryce!
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