who will take us further than that who we can realistically attract?

edwards wants to do the british lions so he wouldnt come yet. and he would cost a bomb to prise away from union where he is so highly rated.

farrell hasnt got the experience and he would go the same way betts did when he was coaching us.

people need to face that nobby is the best coach available at the minute weve done the chopping and changing of coaches over the last few years and look where that got us? nowhere.

the only coach who i think could move wigan on is shaun edwards and we do not stand a chance of getting him yet.

I hope we don't lose 10 matches this year and I agree that a side losing this many games doesn't deserve to be called champions, but it doesn't take away the fact that under the new play off system this year they will have a shot at the final more so than in years gone by.

I was using the Saints analysis to prove a point. Wigan won the Grand Final in 1998, the year after the coach got sacked. They got to grand finals in 2000 and 2001 and the year after both coaches didn't see out the season - my point is that the club and the fans have been too fickle in the past to get rid and this has de stabilised the club.

Granted he has had 2 and a bit years already,during that time the club has changed from top to bottom. Additionally, look at the key positions in the side i.e. 6 and 7 and 9, compare our players with those at Leeds and Saints. Ours is a new partnership for the umpteenth season running theirs are settled and know each other inside out. Get a bit of consistency and the results will come.

Hanley maybe?

Although I agree Edwards would be the best man for the job and it would be difficult to prise him away but not impossible

I am a fan of Noble but just don't see with the style he plays and the players he has how he can take us to the levels of Stains and Leeds

The way he prefers to play 2nd grade aussies than bring through youth is the main bad point about Noble for me

but lenegan also feels this way it isnt just noble at the club who prefers second rate aussies, the only second rate aussie in our squad is bailey and to an extent phelps.

good point about hanley though.

Agreed, but we won't get that kind of stability at half back until we get a British pairing like Leeds and Saints have. Overseas players don't tend to stay more than two or three years then your back at square one. This will definately happen with Tim Smith next year. Tommy may be an exception so it's vital we get Sam Tomkins playing a regular role this season and by the looks of it the sooner the better.

For me Bailey, Phelps and probably Smith are 2nd graders IMO and I would rather see Mossop, Ainscough and S. Tomkins come through

Were you there last night?

Smith is a rare talent, not a 6 mind, but still a classy player.

His defence is lacking but going forward he should if used right have a field day with assists.

I would love him to comitt long term to us, over and above Leuleui, but do not think it will happen.

Bailey and Phelps i have to agree with the poster though.

in your constant bull babbling....

..change the record, we can allsit here and be judgemental, at everything that noble does or doesnt do in your case...do you really think that the problem lies with noble???...goodway, betts, not mentioning MIKE GREGORY as he didnt get enough time unfortunately, millward, and now noble have all had the same problems as the next one has had. To me it stems deeper than the coach, theres a vast majority of the wigan squad who do not want to play with any pride or have any understanding about how passionate our town is for rugby league, look at other clubs in SL they have foreign players, irish, french, scottish etc playing in there sides who put there heart and soul into there game week in week out... we as a club from a playing aspect have forgotten what being wigan is and we have too many ego's flying about in the dressing room...now you can blame the current coach all you want but the top and bottom of it is we have had this problem since we last won superleague, and until it is sorted out we will never move forward as a club, and if it were upto me playing personnels heads would roll, regardless of who they are!!!

I have no direct contact with Wigan nor do i get any inside info on the club. I know nobody associated with the club, i have never claimed to do so nor have i ever claimed to know what is going on behind the scenes.

Where to start on the rest of the post. Yes i do think the problem lies woth Noble, Betts was not ready for first team he was thrown into the breach, Millward was a shocking appontement as he lost the dressing room prior to even turning up.

Mike Gregory was the coach that looked to be turning us around and under whome we made some progress.

Who is responsible for player recruitment and selection, who is responsible for picking these overseas players even though they are not performing over the local Wigan lads?

Too many ego's flying around the dressing room?! Do you think there are as many ego's as the widely reported ego's of the glory years? How did the coaches then manage these massive ego's yet Noble cannot? A failing of Noble to control this perhaps? Clearly not in your opinion but it would be interesting to see who you think who is responsible for managing these ego's and who managed the ego's of Hanley, Goodway, Gregory, Edwards, Skerrit etc etc etc in days gone by.

Your last statement is an odd one. Who has the ability to drop players if the ego's are getting in the way? Basically you are saying it is not Nobles fault there is nothing he can do, but then state that if you were in a position of authority like Noble is (and what better position) heads would roll?! Contradicting the rest of your own post. While Noble is not in a position to fire players he is in a position to drop, remove from training and isolate these "ego's", and as you say heads would roll, so why has he not done this?

Basically all the issues you list in support of Noble highlight his failings thus far better than i could. Thanks

First of all I did say probably

Secondly he's had ONE good game

Thirdly I'm sure like most you would rather see S. Tomkins come through rather than wait for Smith to find his feet again and go back to the NRL

I forgot you cant have a opinion on here if you didn't go to the game

i dont contradict anything to be honest!!!

it's your poor attempt to try and scrape up what cred u can with all your banging on about noble and anything wigan ...ooppss sorry RL...but never mind old chap, you've succsesfully added another one to your " we think johnh is a tosspot club"

...but im loving the fact that you think hanley is the man for wigan????...mind you he talks a good game like you do!!!. and he did walk into a superleague winning side when he got the saints job, and then got sacked for being too outspoken....so yeah he is the man for wigan!!!

So who in your opinion is responsible for managing the ego's in the dressing room? Who is responsible for team selection, who has a major say in recruitment, who should be held accountable for this?

All issues you raise, and i await your reply with interest.

Regards Hanley i think he is the man as he will instantly command respect from the dressing room, something i do not think Noble or Millward prior to that ever did.

As i said above i await your response to the points raised with interest rather than slating me and not adding anything to the discussion, can you manage that?



The bit in bold shows what little clue you have if you think one of the greatest players the game has seen "talks a good game".

Jonh,
My concerns have been well documented re the Timmy Tommy partnership.
I have always thought that they were similar players and if they were going to play together than we would need big, strong, fast players outside them.

Smith was superb last night, his choice of pass ans kick was exquisite. A fit Karl Pryce (Keith Senior, Gary Connolly, Paul Newlove, Inga) type would have had a field day.

The solution maybe to play Sam at 6 , and Tommy at 9 with Riddell.
But where does that leave McIlorum?

Loan?

i am sorry old wise one i thought we were on about from a coaching aspect???, not a playing one???..as for adding anything to the discussion regarding yet again your favorite person Mr noble!!..i feel that there is no point as regards to what i or anyone else says about him as we are not the ones who's programme he didnt sign....you are clearly the one with the issue!!!..as for the ego issue. your answer is to appoint a man who had one of the biggest ego's in rugbyleague in his time to take control of a dressing room full of ego's????





...good night son!

On loan/fighting for a spot or at another club. In theory form would dictate, but if it does is another matter.

Tbf he had a right to have an ego one of the best players i've ever watched

If our players showed up week in week out no one would have a problem

form a playing point of view, he was the best!!

Shock horror, unable to answer the question.



Who better to appoint than someone with a bigger ego than the lot of them? A dominant figure stamps out ego issues. They come in and take control.

You raised issues that need to be delt with by the coach, and then try to deflect away from your own points that you raised.

I await an answer to who you think should deal with the ego's in the dressing room, who picks the team and who plays a major part in the recruitment of the club? All issues you raise.




I think it is good you are going to bed so you cannot talk yourself into another corner. If you have the nouce to be able to answer the questions raised i look forward to continuing the discussion, i do not think you will though as you cannot.

Night night. The membership badge is in the post by the way.

I have thought for a while now Jonh you are a fool now you have just confirmed it

Fair play to you, you are of course entitled to your opinion, may i ask why you think i have confirmed it with this post?

Jonh, on Friday will you

Sit with home fans and reluctantly cheer on Castleford
Sit with away fans and cheer on Castleford
Sit with home fans and boo the Wigan team at every opportunity
Sit with home fans and cheer on Wigan despite this thread
Not attend the game at all

Friday i will not be attending the game.

To answer the rest of your post i do not really cheer, i applaud good play from both sides, whoever is playing, and i certainly do not boo.

What this has to do with anything i do not know.