Just seen the superleague show and heard Dave wood commentry and it's totally pathetic. I could understand him saying something about the Hock incident but Sam did something that loads of players do in loads of sports and celebrated a try that meant a lot to him.

Embarrassing from Woods.

Allow me to dust this gem off.. "Nobody likes us, and we dont care".

What was this guy gonna do if he actually got near any of the Wigan players? He would of been laughed off the pitch

Just seen the rest of the superleague show and if Hock gets cited for throwing the ball in to the crowd then so should Richard Owen, Oliver Holmes and Jordan Turner.

If people want to say he threw the ball 'at' the crowd rather then 'in to' the crowd then fair enough and out of those other 3 then Jordan Turner should probably be fine and Oliver Homes could have an argument as well because he threw it in to the end where the Cas fans were stood (although his was more of a flat throw then Turners). As for Richard Owen he pelted it straight at the Benidorm Flats end and can have no defence.

Owens was worse then Hocks but no mention of it on the superleague show and it'll be interesting to see what comes of these 2 incidents......very very interesting.

Even if he gets a ban (which he won't) then he would only miss the NW game.

Of course and for that reason I actually hope he does just to wind the Saints fans up even more but on principle if he does and nothing gets said about Richard Owen then it's very dodgy indeed.

We'll see but it would add weight to the argument that I think Tony Smith raised that your basically being judged far more when your on the TV then not and that can't be right.

No do the Wigan Walk instead !

It would need some doing to beat the Stains Sprint on Friday.

Yup!

Ever so slightly different given the proximity of the leeds players to the kids on the wall.

I know a number of families & old people who have never been back to that hole since that day.
Ever so slightly different...

One guy even got himself arrested, just so he could get out faster!!!

This. He turned to avoid being put on his arris, then turned it into a bit of fun.

I was sitting with family in what passes for their main stand. With 10 minutes to go we were surrounded by scousers. With five minutes to go the stand was mostly empty, they really did pile out of the Trailer Park in a big hurry. How these muppets can ever criticise Wigan fans for leaving early is beyond me.

FIOS

It's nothing new. Back in 1997, I had the pleasure of attending Knowsley Road and watching Wigan canter to a 65-12 victory. The stadium was emptying rapidly by half-time. At the end of the season, Micron Video's annual highlights tape included footage taken outside the ground just after half-time - it showed Saints fans streaming away in droves.

HALF-TIME ... I ask you.

You're right, they've got some face to call us. But then they are scousers.

Got to say I thought it was very funny.

Directed straight at the cretins who were singing 'there's only 1 Sam Tomkins' after his error for the first try. Very cheeky and the best possible response!

Part of me dies every time a moronic sports fan goes mad after giving a player dogs abuse for 80 mins, then getting all morally indignant when they get it shoved back in their face. If you can't take it, don't give it!

The same thing goes for Hock's celebrations, although in saying that, throwing the ball at the fans isn't acceptable (as it wouldn't be acceptable if a fan threw something at a player.)

As a Saints fan after watching it back I thought the trot was actually Sam trotting away from a more raw emotional in your face Hock like celebration.

Nowt wrong with either in the heat of battle - if you dish it out you have to take it.

The way everyones reacted I think the next time we're on tv (Huddeersfield away?) every time we score we should just keep our heads down and walk away, see what the muppets in the commentary box say then.

I remember another muppet in another commentary box - Ray French at Wembley in 1985 - getting irate with Brett Kenny because he was walking slowly around with his head down before the kick off. It was Bert's style to quietly contemplate the forthcoming action, but I think old Ray saw it as an arrogant Aussie failng to buy into the Wembley excitement.

Don't understand the issue with it, if you sing "there's only one Sam Tomkins" when he drops a ball, don't expect him to trot back to the other half of the field with his hands in his pockets if he scores in front of the Saints end.

Fair play to him, good bit of derby banter.

First time I've been back on here since Friday (don't really post when I'm not skiving at work

) but congratulations on a great performance. Plenty of heart and certainly one team wanted it more.

Very fair comments mate.

I said the other day the Saints fan played a risky game jeering a player that good when he made a mistake after only ten minutes. He then had 70 to put it right and did.

He just gave a bit back when he got the chance and as the old saying goes 'don't dish out what you can't take yourself'.

I'm still traumatised by Tommy Martyns smirking face now but he deserved to wind our lot up after we called him a scruffy, cheating gypsy (and worse in some songs) for the full 80 mins of each derby!

I might as well stick it on here rather than make a new thread.

Anyone know whether Mcilorum has been cited for his spear tackle on Wilkin during the Saints match?

Reading Bilko's Twitter it would appear that Hock has received a caution for throwing the ball into the crowd.

No, just Heath Le Strange from Bradford for the spear tackle Hargreaves got sent of for. Ref got the wrong man.

I think Hargreaves looked unlucky on the replay.

Micky Mac's didn't seem too bad tbh. He ended up landing him pretty safely and before this season it would have been seen as a good tackle.

He (Tomkins) and Hock are both Wigan lads and therefore I presume Wigan fans for many many years.

They both just scored to make the biggest game of the year safe, so of course they are going to celebrate and be smug.

I'd do the same.

Next time Saints win this fixture and one of our guys does the same, I'll be laughing at the Wigan fans reactions, which will be very similar to ours on Friday.

It's part and parcel and hopefully will spur on the 17 in the redvee next time we meet.

Hock had obviously taken plenty of abuse, you can lipread him say "f*****g w*****s" as he's walking back from his try