TBH though it was a shame Hock wasn't playing at the end of the KR game tho when that THUG came in with his elbow. While two wrongs dont make a right he could do with a bit of hock treatment/ take his head off/ elbow to the face.

Players like cockayne should never play RL again....every away fan should boo that scumbag everytime he gets the ball!!

I would love nothing more than seing another player give him a serious injury !! we live in hope

I hope someone gives Cockayne a good dusting soon. He deserves it.

Amen!

It's not like he didn't know. I don't think other clubs should employ him after the 2 years, getting a very clear message out to the players is the only way to stop this type of behaviour.

"He made a mistake" seems to be rolled out quite a lot, do the posters seriously think this was his first time? His mistake was getting caught.

I wonder how many would want to keep a cocaine user if he was an apprentice, or a steward, or someone in the ticket office? It seems in the main that people want to keep hold of Hock purely for his rugby skills. I wonder if it was Tim Smith, or Richie Mathers would they be after the same result?
Rules are there to be adhered to, so if the rule is a sacking it shouldn't matter who it is.

True

I wonder if it had been string head at Saints instead of Hock, would all the same posters be posting the same drivel that Saints should keep hold of him, would they Bawllox, they'd be slagging him off big style, some posters are just scared that he might come back and bite us on the ass, personally i reckon we have seen the last of Hock within the sport, m,e thinks he will revert to his pre ordaned Chavy lifestyle.

From what I understand the ban coming from the national sporting executive means he will have his registration terminated so I can,t see the point in Wigan keeping him.

hell go to the gutter

I'd keep him in some capacity for a couple of reasons 1, to give him the support that he obviously needs and obviously wasnt getting prior to getting caught, why let a talent go ta complete rack and ruins. 2, beacuse although he's broken the rules he deserves another chance. Of all the people on here how many can hold their hands up and say honestly they've never done something wrong at work, how many have never pinched a roll of sellotape, some pens or paper etc etc just becasue you haven't been caugh suddenly it must be ok to do it. Yes he's been caught red handed he'll take his punishment and carry on

sack him, and if he goes down the green vigo route thats his decision.

if hes any brains he'll keep his head down for 2 years, then get back playing.
if hes no brains, then its the slippery slope beckoning.

i hope the lad keeps his head down

As posted twice already in the last couple of pages - WE CAN'T KEEP HIM AT ALL, IN [uANY[/u CAPACITY.

so your saying theres no way or means for him to be kept at the club in any sort of capacity give over will ya theres ways and means around everything if they want to keep him they will.

There [iis[/i a sanction in the next two years because if he wants to resurrect his career he must submit to regular drug testing during the two years and if he is caught again then it is a life ban.

Will that thought keep him off the stuff? Anyone's guess.

In any case as has been pointed out he faces a total ban from involvement with the sport during those two years so there is nothing he can do for Wigan anyway even it being an ambassador against drugs was realistic (which it isn't IMO).

Dave

sack him, and if he goes down the green vigo route thats his decision.

if hes any brains he'll keep his head down for 2 years, then get back playing.
if hes no brains, then its the slippery slope beckoning.

i hope the lad keeps his head down

No I'm not saying it the RFL are:



Is it really THAT difficult to understand? What do you think would happen if the club decided they would break the conditions of a doping ban?

How do you get round this then from the rules?

D3:10.9.1 A Person who has been declared Ineligible may not, during the period of Ineligibility, participate in any capacity in a Competition or other activity (other than authorised anti-doping education or rehabilitation programmes) organised, convened or authorised by the RFL or by any body or Club that is a member of, or affiliated to, or licensed by the RFL.

I will translate: Hock can't take part in [uany[/u activity organised by Wigan.

Dave

now is it me or does the rfl rules state he CAN be kept on by the club in some form

Its you. Wouldn't really be much of a ban if he could still be involved within the game would it? Read that as being a recipient of anti-drug education or rehabilitation by the RFL or a club.

Benzoylecgonine is one of several metabolic products of cocaine. It is formed from the hydrolysis of cocaine and is a very specific marker for the presence of that drug. If, however, benzoylecgonine is found in the urine, it is not evidence of illicit cocaine use.

i for one dont feel Hock should be kept on at the club..........he has brought shame on our club and should in no way be rewarded for what he has done.

He was always aware what would happen if he got caught with drugs in his system..yet he CHOSE to do it anyway.

I don't think anyone would really care



I think you'll resign him when the ban is finished anyway, but he won't be anywhere near the same player.

Keep him on. Everyone deserves a second chance imo (well most people!)

Yep, say for example that Wigan were to pay Hock to be an anti-doping champion for the RFL and work as part of a taskforce specifically campaining against drugs in the sport. Should this be authorised by the RFL as they see it as a good thing and it costs them nothing as Wigan are paying then provided that authorisation is gained from the RFL then no problems. I don't quite get why people can't understand the rule that provided the RFL say OK then it can happen.

That being said, I don't think Hock to be given the free ride or invited back to the club after the ban.

Why on earth would the RFL want Hock in this role?

What is so hard to understand about "other than authorised anti-doping education or rehabilitation programmers"?

It means education for Hock or rehabilitation for Hock not Hock doing the educating or rehabilitating of others.



In any case what[u authorised [/uanti-doping ducation or rehabilitation programmes do Wigan run?

His qualification for either job are what exactly? "Look at me I have been found out, don't do it." is about as far as it goes.



I don't quite get why anyone would interpret the rules that way. The club can oay for Hock to go to a clinic or whatever. It cannot employ him to do a job.

Dave

Correct.
To be fair to Hock and Wigan I don't think at the moment he has the necessary skills to be able to present properly and coherently. It would take IMO at least 12 months intensive training for him to be able to do this.
Public speaking isn't as easy as some people make it look. Would Wigan pay for this training?

And as Dave says he cannot be employed by the club in any form once his ban has been confirmed.

I honestly dont know why anyone would want to employ Hock in any kind of speaking role, as im assuming thats what a rehab programme would involve.

Surley you must have heard his man of the match speaches! He is in no way qualified just to rock up somewhere and talk about this subject, it is infact insulting to the hard working people who do this job in the first place, to think that some idiot without an appropriate qualification or skill set (other than being a user) can just start convincing like minded people to give up the bolivian marching powder!

If we as a club offer him something like this then we will have fallen further than i would have liked to admit. Now i have no problem with the club employing him (if they can), but please let it be something like making the tea and sweeping up, so he can appreciate what he has lost.

Rant over.

Also why should he just be able to walk back into the team in two years. Who knows how mossop, tomkins, hanson etc will be doing then, he may after 2 years not be able to lace their boots.

If we do have him back, which i think we will, he should have to work twice as hard, on half as much to make the team, as he has had his chance and blown it!

Just letting him walk back is wrong on so many levels.