Trouble is a lot on here have the Uncle Mo way of thinking quick fix. Thank God I.L. has his head screwed on right and is one that plans ahead. It takes time to turn things round and we are going in the right direction now lets just keep it up.

He looked a good player yesterday and is a decent player overall. He's a similar quality to Prescott and Coley, better then the level Fielden is currently at and better then Feka(although if Feka got fit he'd be light years ahead of Griffin).

I'd take him in an instant with the way things are in that department at present.

Yeppers. The reduction of imports will see us rise again. We will produce the youngsters as we always have, but we will not have to either be creative with the cap, or complete with others who are more creative. When other, smaller, wannabe club, get the level playing field they want, thay are the ones who will be found lacking. I would like to see the cap raised for clubs who do have the money, its not their "fault" they raise more, the others should get their act together.

Althougth we all want greater success, we would be odd if we did not, i can see us rising very quickly from the total mess of 2006....

It's very interesting that Griffin has been cited by a number of Wigan fans as the sort of 'poor quality signing' that has bedevilled us for several years now.

This is a mindset that we simply have to change.

It's a form of petulant arrogance that led one particular Wigan fan, who no longer posts on here, to make repeated statements to the effect that only the very best in the world were good enough for Wigan.

Sure, it's desirable to have players like that - but these days you're only going to get them now and then. The past is gone; that era will never return as long as there's a salary cap.

Meanwhile, we SHOULD be looking at players like Griffin, who are performing very well in a team that is way better than us.

The SC means that players like Coley, Phelps, Griffin and any young player who has come through your academy can be just as valuable as an expensive overseas player.

Friday showed that Coley and Prescott aren't the problems with our front row. They've both stepped up this year and are easily good enough to get on longer contracts.

The problems always come when Fielden and Feka come on, this coupled with the lack of a specialist hooker on the bench. I think Riddell not being on the pitch also has a much larger impact than most people notice, and when he's not there just blame it on fielden and feka. Saying that, they were both cr ap on saturday.

I do feel that if McIlorum had been fit for the Semi we would have done better, when Riddell was off, we were effectively rudderless, I couldn't tell who was meant to be acting as Stand Off (O'Loughlin or Flanagan I think). The multiple shifts we've had to do has affected the team quite a bit.

Reading todays league express and weekly it looks like bailey will be getting a new deal and it was saying there might not be any more new signings.
Also mentioned that you went after Karmichael hunt but he wanted £480,000 and il wasn't prepared to pay that.

No f**king wonder

A quarter of the cap on 1 player. Dont make me laugh

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 193892.stm He would want a shed load of cash

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 193892.stm He would want a shed load of cash

And with a criminal record dangling ominously over him, we could offer him all the cash in the world without a hope of ever having to pay a penny.

We need a Prop, if we resign Bailey and are unable to sign a Prop we may as well get set for another season of disappointment, our only hope if we do bring in a new coach is he can get some life back into Fielden.

I have no problem with Lenagan saying we'll stick with the same squad because theres nobody out there of the right quality if thats actually the case.

If it turns out that teams over here sign good props from down under(or here for that matter) and we miss out on them because we weren't prepared to pay the wages then i really worry for the future.

Alot of people have said that Lenagan has been here for a couple of seasons now and from the day he came here it was obvious we were lacking in the front row and still nothings been done about it.

Thats got to change.

He should put his foot down on it and offer money for LMS.

I'll get it out of the way.............................who's that?



We missed out on Carvell and Ryles(glad about Ryles tbh) and have now missed out on Tronc. All of these would have improved us.

Rumour on the Saints board also has it that Gold Coast have agreed to release Luke Bailey to play for them in 2010. If thats another we've missed out on I despair.

I really do hope that Lenagan saying we probably won't sign anybody is balls to throw teams of the scent of a player or 2. I'd be happy enough with just one prop aslong as players like Mossop continued to be played.

The thing that worries me is Lenagan saying we've no space to move under the cap without loaning players out. Whats happened to Hock and Smiths money? surely that can't have all gone on upgrading a couple of youngsters contracts

Well we will have to see the full comings and goings but in my opinion if it was a choice between retaining Bailey and Tronc, then Tronc wins everytime, same for Shreck, who i have a feeling we may very well regret not making a move for come the end of 2010.

He's getting a long ban, and may be shipped out. Real top quality, but will probably end up at Catalans or Bradford if he comes to SL.

If convicted he will not get a visa for a British based SL team, if he is not convicted he will remain with the Storm.

Regarding League Express surprised nobody has mentioned the article in relation to Lam quoting him that he'd love to come back to Wigan and be involved within the coaching staff. The other paper which I forget the name off says that David Fairleigh is are number target to replace Noble as head coach.

People on here were outraged that Gaz Hock may play RL again. What Ingles has alleged to hae done is far, far greater than than taking cocaine.

an undoubted talent no doubt but i would be very unhappy if we were interested in his signing. After all, did we not get rid of a certain scrumhalf for a similar thing?

I am in no way a member of the "moral" majority, but what kind of message would it send out to young lads?

Oh don't worry, if and when we have a good play-off run which is narrowly ended by Leeds/Saints by a few points away, 2010 will be billed as a "massively optimistic year" by IL and possibly BN - which as a direct consequence has us fans believing it until we play Wakey/Cas/Salford away on a cold February night and get ripped to bits.

Same old, same old.

The best thing the club could do here is get their version of the story in first, so that Aussie newspapers and, more importantly, Aussie agents don't immediately start reporting our interest.

You're right. Given that he'd never get a visa anyway, it'd be a complete waste of time and our credibility showing any interest in a player like this.

Our best signing would be a new coach with tactical know how and our next best signing would be a conditioner. I want to see a fit Feka and someone to give Stuart Fielden a new lease of life.

When's our Eamon back?