players didnt vote it then

I agree, a true man of steel award was won by the likes of Farrell and Bell but nowadays it is voted as the player that has made the most impact, with that criteria it has to be Sam

Correct, and now it has simply become a player of the season award as generally speaking you would just assume players would tend to vote for the best player they have played against rather than the hardest in defence or most deadly in attack.

like you say it should be players player of the year but man of steel sounds cooler for sky

Lockers hasn't had a better season than Jon Wilkin, let alone James Roby.

It's probably the most limited season I've ever seen from O'Loughlin (who if you look back on my posts about him I rate very, very highly).

hes been much much better than both wilkin and roby,
i cant see how every1 raves about roby, this is prob his worst season ever same with graham,

I agree actually. Locky was outstanding last year and in 2009. Those were his chances of the accolade, I feel they have come and gone.

I think he has been overshadowed a little by the arrival of Finch. With him, we have an 'extra' playmaker when Leuluai, Deacon and Tomkins are on the field so Locky takes a bit of a step back and lets them get on with it tbh.

You are ridiculous.

and ur a cock

Westwood for me.

In a weakened team, Wilkin has made per game:

More carries
More metres per carry
More tackles (tackles + marker tackles)
More offloads
More busts
More clean breaks
Kicked 2 40/20s to SOL's 0
About half as many errors
About half as many penalties

So how do you think he has been "much better than Wilkin"?

Wilkin has been terrific for Saints this season, SOL is playing well within himself.

Quote ="FearTheVee"In a weakened team, Wilkin has made per game: More carries More metres per carry More tackles (tackles + marker tackles) More offloads More busts More clean breaks Kicked 2 40/20s to SOL's 0 About half as many errors About half as many penalties So how do you think he has been "much better than Wilkin"? Wilkin has been terrific for Saints this season, SOL is playing well within himself.'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 no he hasnt, Lockers is a loose anyways. He has scored more tries, more assists, more tackles, more carries and more metres.. You would expect Wilkin to make more breaks as he runs at the fringe, and as hes one of your kickers will kick more 40/20's.

Quote ="FearTheVee"In a weakened team, Wilkin has made per game: More carries More metres per carry More tackles (tackles + marker tackles) More offloads More busts More clean breaks Kicked 2 40/20s to SOL's 0 About half as many errors About half as many penalties So how do you think he has been "much better than Wilkin"? Wilkin has been terrific for Saints this season, SOL is playing well within himself.'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 no he hasnt, Lockers is a loose anyways. He has scored more tries, more assists, more tackles, more carries and more metres.. You would expect Wilkin to make more breaks as he runs at the fringe, and as hes one of your kickers will kick more 40/20's.

Go on, enlighten me.

read the edit

Semi Tadulala has to be a shoe in.

So you decided to ignore the "per game" bit then? Odd way of looking at it, but each to their own.

So your "no he hasn't" is actually edited to "yes he has but here are some excuses, whilst conveniently ignoring some of them".

you cant take that into consideration as you dont know the opposition of the game missed so would flaw the stat. You wanted to use stats so must know its flaws...

Nice edit, and nice continued digging.

"No he hasn't".

its all about whos on top at the end of the season,
per game dont matter in the long run

that makes no sense...

Wilkin is nowhere near the player that Lockers is and anyone who tries to make an argument that he is, as obviously got the rugby intelligence of my 2 year old.
I agree with Wigg'n. Lockers as been used in a different role this season to facilitate Finch, which is not a bad thing. He is still having an excellent season and is in my opinion in the top four players in SL.
If I was voting I couldnt see past Sam Tomkins though. Super League has been waiting for so long to get a player like Tomkins. Just hope union and the NRL keep their hands off. Roby is a strong contender though and is another excellent player.

So to clarify - you now agree that my post to which you replied "no he hasn't" was indeed factual and what you meant to say was: "yes he has".

Good good.

Then again, he's not a Wigan player so it can't possibly be true that he has been as hard working in defence whilst monumentally more effective in attack and far more disciplined. I can see your point now.

I can see that this isn't the place for reasonable debate.

He might just sneak into the top 4 players at Wigan for 2011. As for top 4 in SL? Seriously.

Are you reading something else? I didnt agree just said you post made no sense.....He hasnt been more effective at all if you read my posts and the stats I said.

First names on a Super League dream team or even a England team.... bet its not Wilkin