If the lesson is having a flattering scoreline at half time, then being beaten by the better side in the second half...then no. Certainly wasn't down to a lack of effort this time.

Quins at pretty much full strength are a completely different proposition to the depleted whipping boys of early in the season and were never going to be easy beats especially when we had half a team missing. So it proved.

We did for a while. Oh well, lets hope we go on another 7 match winning run again!

I'm just wondering who that's directed at? Granted Walker did on some occasions look a little frail last night, but I'm struggling to think of anyone else that applies to. Ainscough should now be able to come in and do the job asked of him.

Aside from Walker, as well as Farrell played, he's not physically ready for a starting spot yet given his troubles with cramp at the hour mark and Mossop for now appears a better impact option from the bench, as he noticeably tired in the second half and switched off from some defensive assignments down the right flank (wasn't alone).

Ainscough doesn't have good enough concentration on his positioning to be a top level SL winger at present, so I'd say he isn't mentally ready.

Couldn't argue with the above. It did appear that the team as a whole were tiring as the match went on.

Well if you had been concentrating you would have seen Bailey shouting to Ainscough who he wanted him to cover and who he had got covered. With Bailey at the side of him he had no chance from the start.

Ainscough may as well of brought a chair on and sat down. The ball never got out to him enough, the two or three times he got the ball he made ground and looked dangerous. It was inside him where the whole Quins team seemed to steam through. Phelps got mullered a couple of times for pace especially the first try as well. Our squad maybe isnt as strong as we thought.

Ainscough isn't a scapegoat for last night by any stretch, I thought Bailey was awful in defence also - at least Ainscough has the excuse of first team inexperience, whilst making one notable cover tackle in the first half on an accelerating Kevin Penny and being generally starved of the ball.

Our whole right side defence got torched several times in the second half. I dont think injuries can be a valid excuse because there was still enough quality out there in Wigan colours to have won the game. The chances were there to be turned into tries but 2nd half but we just didn't take them

Quick question - which side of the defence had been completely reshuffled as a consequence of the injuries?

That was my point but you said it better lol!!!

I was trying to say he was in the position he was told to be in by his team mate. I heard him shouting to him!

How often are Amos or Pat given the ball? They MAKE things happen themselves.

what was your excuse for losing to a cockney team today you muppet??

foook off back to cockney liar.

Why respond to them.....

Yeah no ones ever puts them through with a nice pass Every try they score is down to them alone and no one else is involved. Gleeson and Carmont are surplus to requirements as they don't need their centres



Dave

Very subjective after one game. So does Shaun Ainscough and it was this quality that won our first game of last season against Harlequins.

One game? Eh?

And no it wasn't.

Very?

I was just wondering if you enjoyed the Saints-Leeds match in the end?



It came as a total shock to me, I have to confess, but I enjoyed it [ivery[/i much.

.......Have to keep the muppets in their place you know,can't let them give it out without giving them some back. Whilst he was laughing at our slip up on Friday I bet he wasn't laughing as hard as I was with that Spurs result or as many times as I have this season. See they lost yesterday too, must have been the rugby ruining pitch again, just like at White Hart Lane



Are they safe yet?........ I sincerely hope not

Your right yes he does!

Bored with it now though and have moved on!

Mathematically, not quite, but realistically yes.

We got what we deserved as far as I'm concerned, total switch off in the 2nd half and the early try just after half time give them great hope.

But after a few days of thinking about Friday, IMO it won't be a bad thing- our two defeats have been due to attitude and hopefully now the lesson has been drilled home now it's happened twice. At the start of the season, if a person would have given me two points clear at the top as we went into May i would have bitten their hand off.

We are overreacting after this defeat on Friday, Quins are starting to play really well, the signs were there when they played saints a few weeks ago. 7 first team players out is a big blow but that team picked was good enough to beat that side comfortably.

Although, I'm very dissappointed we got beaten on Friday I think it will give the players a wake up call we haven't been playing well for a few weeks now. So onwards to Murrayfield on Sunday, hopefully we will get back to normal.