no they dont as they have already broken and on the way back before the tackle if even attempted, just a restart now as the scrums just break as they are uncontested

I think that the balance they have struck in the NRL about scrums s spot-on,and would like to see it universally applied; they offer an opportunity for attacking play, and I think there certainly should be a limit on how far we should go in attempting to 'speed the game up', The game is fast enough as is, to say the least,

I personally think there is still a place in the modern game for scrums, even if just for the sake of variety. It may not be contested like it used to be or as technical as union, but it still serves a purpose and was sorely missed imo in super league the last couple of seasons.

A scrum will take 6 players from either team (7 if you include the feeder as 90% the person in the back of the scrum will pass it out nowadays as its the safest route for the ball) basically out of the game for that play and allow for a more open flowing play. More space, more gaps, unique set plays more excitement.

If you take away the scrum as was done in SL the last couple seasons and make it just a simple turn over of possesion, you essentially are just left with another standard tackle (most likely a settler drive to set up field position for later plays being the 1st tackle). Whereas if you keep scrums you have the first tackle be a potentially more exciting, open field set play. Allowing for greater play variety as opposed to a dull, old 1st play of the ball.

Of course they have to sprint back,otherwise they are not going to be onside. If a team gets known for breaking early then a smart player will just trap the ball in the 2nd row and take the resulting penalty,i remember Wigan doing just to to us ( saints ) about 3 times in one game as O'loughlin called it.

every team breaks early, the ref even calls it now for them, you dont have to sprint back watch them, its a jog, thats why you wrestle in the tackle to ensure everyone gets back onside...plus a lot of the time its not even the pack who go into the scrum

I've probably watched/been involved with over 1,000 games. I have yet to see a prop sprint after a scrum.

Didn’t miss them one bit. To new fans they just look weird, scrap them I say and let rugby union have 10 men sumo wrestling.

You obviously never watched me when I played for the Bulls then

If any player is forced to isolate as a contact because they have refused their jab, they should only receive the £93 a week SSP. Perhaps this will "encourage" them to get jabbed.

I doubt the knuckledraggers know what chemicals are in the ink that regularly gets inserted into them with their latest tattoo....

exactly, we do at work

I wish we did. I'd happily support any Govt legislation that makes this law.

Absolute fu*king bel*end, their bodies their choice

the clubs choice to pay them if they are unavailable also due to this....

Undoubtedly, but with choice comes consequences.

If a player refuses to get vaxed and misses a game, or even worse a final, all because they have to isolate, then that's on them and they should be punished for it imo.

Players get fined for loads of stuff that has a detrimental impact on their ability to perform i.e being out of condition, turning up under the influence. Heck, Wane even used to go ape when the academy lads didn't have their folders with them. It all falls under having a professional approach. They can choose to forget their folder, eat cr@p or go on a bender before training, it's just the consequences of that will probably mean they won't be at Wigan for long.

But when COVID becomes just another yearly bug, similar to flu (which some scientists are predicting it to be by next winter) then the above logic surely means we have to apply fines to not getting the flu jab, or riding a motorbike, or climbing a ladder. In fact, anything that has the potential to cause enough damage to disrupt your training / peak performance.

Human behaviour is a weird one. The news last week was full of headlines vilifying anyone who hasn't had the jab, and it's effects on a pandemic which has reduced the average lifespan by a few months. Tucked away as a minor story / page filler was a report about the obesity epidemic. 46% of children are overweight by their top year of[i primary[/i school, and 26% are [iclinically obese[/i. The experts say that those children are set for life by their environment and habits during their upbringing. Just let that sink in: That's 26-41% of the entire future population who will live significantly shorter lives and put strain on the health system. And that's ignoring the morality aspect of parental responsibility. Apparently lining the pockets of big pharma is more important though. I'm triple-jabbed BTW.

Bring back scrums!

Which isn't likely to happen for another couple of years, so until then we have to be considerate of the people next to us (or those who's face is in yours) & stop being so Trumpian with the conspiratorial idiocy.

Don't be a pr!ck, get one!

You have to isolate whether you've had a jab or not so does the same logic count for anyone who's had the jab too? For the record there's currently 6 members of my immediate family who currently have Covid and are isolating as a result. All have had both jabs and a booster. The only members who are testing negative who have been in contact are myself and 2 others, none of whom have had the jabs but have had the disease. Go figure.

Does that go for players who don’t have the flu jab and get the flu and miss a game? Seriously, where is the line? Just because it’s COVID doesn’t mean that line should be blurred. Within 18months this will just be another flu strand and we’ll get on with our lives without a second thought. We should be doing this already in my opinion.

I’m all for vaxxing everyone. But that’s everyone who wants it. No company/business should deliberately financially punish their employees more than they normally would if they were off for a cold or stomach bug etc.

Honestly I’d love to see this played out in an employment tribunal or court of law. It would be genuinely intriguing to see on which side the court/tribunal would fall.

I stick by my OP. The club already draw the line on what's acceptable and I can't see how making them get a Vax is worse than saying that if they don't eat right, then they'll get let go. Same goes for doing rehab, or drinking before games etc. I'm sure they can't do stuff like go skiing etc too.

I'm even more baffled why some are so pro choice when it comes to vaccination. It's highly frustrating that people are being forced to isolate because of the pressure being put on the NHS from the morons who don't wanna get vaxed. (yes they are morons btw). The stats over the last few days say something like 90% in A&E are unvaxed. Those extra people up the pressure on the NHS and drives the current strategy.

Their stupid and selfish choices impact everyone and the gov need to step in. It's up there with drink driving. By the pro choice logic it's acceptable to let everyone do what they want and drive drunk, regardless of what impact it has on others, plus at the same time stopping people who follow the rules from driving at certain times to accommodate the be!!ends.

do you have to isolate with the flu?

You know the answer to that as well as I.

You’re taking my response in a direction I never pointed it at. If a player gets flu (proper flu) they’ll be out for 1-2 games minimum. If they have their flu jab they’re a lot less [ilikely [/ito get flu or if they do, less likely to be as bad as it would be. What if those 2 games were the semi and Grand Final? Would we financially punish our players?

Flu is a proven killer. Pre COVID (if you can remember a world without it!) every year without fail the papers would run articles such as “NHS is going to be over run with flu patients” and “go get your flu jab”. My question is - what’s the difference?

Covid is far more transmissible and without precautions, masks, social distancing there would have been far more of it, and it would have killed far more.
Without the vaccines the Death Toll inevitably would have been far higher.

COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

"The COVID-19 situation continues to change, sometimes rapidly. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19. At present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu."

The last 2 years or so hasn't happened because of something the same as flu.
It's happened because it was more more contagious, far more likely to kill people and no vaccine at the time meant there was no way to keep it under control. Without social distancing, mask wearing etc the whole NHS system would have had to deal with something possibly 10x times or more than it was capable of dealing with.

But im not, if you've been in contact with someone with flu you wouldnt miss a game but if you have with covid you will, add that to how many people there are at the club you could miss a lot of the season if different people get it through out the year and you are in proximity to them and not vaccinated

I've had all three!



The point I'm making is that you can't discriminate against someone who doesn't want a jab, based on the reasons stated. Otherwise, you have to consider all the other things that can ether disrupt a training session, or put pressure on the health service and the public (which I think is the issue really being raised here).

Think of it this way: The leading causes of early death and hospitalisation are conditions related to poor lifestyle, NOT COVID Poor lifestyle also contributes greatly to COVID deaths. However, would we champion the banning of being overweight, consuming alcohol, cigarettes, partaking in hazardous sports like RL etc? Probably not.

We either make personal choices or we make everybody get treated identically. We can't act one way for COVID because it's something new and ignore other elephants in the room. If I was a super-fit 20-year who didn't drink or smoke, I too would probably rebel against being told to get jabbed by older fatter people!

Quote ="sergeant pepper"I stick by my OP. The club already draw the line on what's acceptable and I can't see how making them get a Vax is worse than saying that if they don't eat right, then they'll get let go. Same goes for doing rehab, or drinking before games etc. I'm sure they can't do stuff like go skiing etc too. I'm even more baffled why some are so pro choice when it comes to vaccination. It's highly frustrating that people are being forced to isolate because of the pressure being put on the NHS from the morons who don't wanna get vaxed. (yes they are morons btw). The stats over the last few days say something like 90% in A&E are unvaxed. Those extra people up the pressure on the NHS and drives the current strategy. Their stupid and selfish choices impact everyone and the gov need to step in. It's up there with drink driving. By the pro choice logic it's acceptable to let everyone do what they want and drive drunk, regardless of what impact it has on others, plus at the same time stopping people who follow the rules from driving at certain times to accommodate the be!!ends.'" https://www.totalrl.com/french-covid-ru ... fbFPN0A5bA Seems they will be effectively suspended for not having the jab, albeit for 2 games in the season.

Quote ="sergeant pepper"I stick by my OP. The club already draw the line on what's acceptable and I can't see how making them get a Vax is worse than saying that if they don't eat right, then they'll get let go. Same goes for doing rehab, or drinking before games etc. I'm sure they can't do stuff like go skiing etc too. I'm even more baffled why some are so pro choice when it comes to vaccination. It's highly frustrating that people are being forced to isolate because of the pressure being put on the NHS from the morons who don't wanna get vaxed. (yes they are morons btw). The stats over the last few days say something like 90% in A&E are unvaxed. Those extra people up the pressure on the NHS and drives the current strategy. Their stupid and selfish choices impact everyone and the gov need to step in. It's up there with drink driving. By the pro choice logic it's acceptable to let everyone do what they want and drive drunk, regardless of what impact it has on others, plus at the same time stopping people who follow the rules from driving at certain times to accommodate the be!!ends.'" https://www.totalrl.com/french-covid-ru ... fbFPN0A5bA Seems they will be effectively suspended for not having the jab, albeit for 2 games in the season.