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The occasion just looked way too big for them. The big guys like McMeekan and Millington, who've been superb this year, were abysmal!!
I went to the game as we do every year and we were sat down towards the Cas end and as much as they detest us, I still wanted them to win but you knew they had no chance after the first 15/20 mins.
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I certainly didn't want them to win. Crappy ground, tiny pitch, some really scummy support, arrogant butthole half back, the list goes on....
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"I certainly didn't want them to win. Crappy ground, tiny pitch, some really scummy support, arrogant butthole half back, the list goes on....'"
Re the scummy support, I won’t forget the ‘Shaun Wane’s a c*nt’ chant that the whole of their support sang for around twenty minutes at the DW in our first home meeting with them this season.
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They may detest us, their coach and players may detest ours, their ground may be falling to bits, Gale and Hardaker may be plain annoying and you may feel about as welcome in Cas as herpes but I'd have still preferred them to win.
It was a weird feeling when the play offs kicked off with four teams and one of those was St Helens yet I could name at least two other clubs I actually wanted to win it less then them! Sadly my fourth choice got the win but then they usually do if they make the play offs, so at least it's not alien.
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I don't think you can underestimate the impact Hardaker's suspension and the reason for it will have had on the Cas's performance. It's not like an injury to a key player. In that circumstance a good coach can still motivate his side but God knows how Powell faced up to that.
Hardaker''a team mates will have felt let down if not betrayed.
Lost the game before kick off for me.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"They may detest us, their coach and players may detest ours, their ground may be falling to bits, Gale and Hardaker may be plain annoying and you may feel about as welcome in Cas as herpes but I'd have still preferred them to win.
It was a weird feeling when the play offs kicked off with four teams and one of those was St Helens yet I could name at least two other clubs I actually wanted to win it less then them! Sadly my fourth choice got the win but then they usually do if they make the play offs, so at least it's not alien.'"
That's exactly how I felt. Except perhaps just one team less than Saints!  |
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Most neutrals before the game were looking for a Cas win , but the arrogance of their fans (considering they've won nowt) turned a lot of neutrals against them. The majority sat around us were pleased that Leeds pulled it off and the only down side was Cas were not niled
Regards. EW
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| Quote ="Edinburgh Warrior"Most neutrals before the game were looking for a Cas win , but the arrogance of their fans (considering they've won nowt) turned a lot of neutrals against them. The majority sat around us were pleased that Leeds pulled it off and the only down side was Cas were not niled
Regards. EW'"
We sat in the Cas end of the ground and you could just see the shock in their eyes. The season has basically just been a walk in the park up until the play offs but they'd clearly been convinced that they really were that much better then everyone else (rather then the fact that teams like Leeds, Saints and Wigan have been playing the system for years).
We take some flak from fans of clubs like Cas for a lack of atmosphere, leaving early or for glory hunters turning up when we're doing well. I think they set new records in all areas on Saturday night. |
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"We sat in the Cas end of the ground and you could just see the shock in their eyes. The season has basically just been a walk in the park up until the play offs but they'd clearly been convinced that they really were that much better then everyone else (rather then the fact that teams like Leeds, Saints and Wigan have been playing the system for years).
We take some flak from fans of clubs like Cas for a lack of atmosphere, leaving early or for glory hunters turning up when we're doing well. I think they set new records in all areas on Saturday night.'"
Their so-called 'reinvention of the game' was what stuck in my craw.
They've played superbly all season, and I'm in awe of that, and jealous.
But they haven't reinvented anything. They've just played very well, and been lucky on the absentee front - though last weekend was a firm lesson in how your luck can suddenly change (and look at the impact that one missing player had - puts our massive injury toll into a bit of perspective). |
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Their so-called 'reinvention of the game' was what stuck in my craw.
They've played superbly all season, and I'm in awe of that, and jealous.
But they haven't reinvented anything. They've just played very well, and been lucky on the absentee front - though last weekend was a firm lesson in how your luck can suddenly change (and look at the impact that one missing player had - puts our massive injury toll into a bit of perspective).'"
The way they keep the ball alive and encourage open play is a joy to watch. Keeping defences guessing and on their toes with strong second phase play off their offloads always looks threatening. On the other hand, our mechanical structured play is both predictable and at times boring to watch.
I miss the days of two halves who could play more off the cuff, creating and playing what it's front of them etc. FWIW I don't blame our players for that.. |
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Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"The way they keep the ball alive and encourage open play is a joy to watch. Keeping defences guessing and on their toes with strong second phase play off their offloads always looks threatening. On the other hand, our mechanical structured play is both predictable and at times boring to watch.
I miss the days of two halves who could play more off the cuff, creating and playing what it's front of them etc. FWIW I don't blame our players for that..'"
I have a problem in accepting the 'story' that has been propagated by the Sky commentary team and blindly accepted.
Cas do indeed pass the ball more but would it surprise you to learn that Wigan offload the ball more than Cas do?
In fact a check of the Super League Stats site revealed that over the season Wigan offloaded 348 times and Cas 320 times. Wigan are second only to Leeds. Facts eh, they can get in the way of a good argument. But this particular 'fact' might suggest that the coach isn't telling the players not to offload at all. That the players haven't then been able to capitalise is hardly the fault of the coach.
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I miss the days of two halves who could play more off the cuff, creating and playing what it's front of them etc. FWIW I don't blame our players for that..'"
I have a problem in accepting the 'story' that has been propagated by the Sky commentary team and blindly accepted.
Cas do indeed pass the ball more but would it surprise you to learn that Wigan offload the ball more than Cas do?
In fact a check of the Super League Stats site revealed that over the season Wigan offloaded 348 times and Cas 320 times. Wigan are second only to Leeds. Facts eh, they can get in the way of a good argument. But this particular 'fact' might suggest that the coach isn't telling the players not to offload at all. That the players haven't then been able to capitalise is hardly the fault of the coach.
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Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"I have a problem in accepting the 'story' that has been propagated by the Sky commentary team and blindly accepted.
Cas do indeed pass the ball more but would it surprise you to learn that Wigan offload the ball more than Cas do?
[uIn fact a check of the Super League Stats site revealed that over the season Wigan offloaded 348 times and Cas 320 times. Wigan are second only to Leeds. Facts eh, they can get in the way of a good argument.[/u But this particular 'fact' might suggest that the coach isn't telling the players not to offload at all. That the players haven't then been able to capitalise is hardly the fault of the coach.
www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats'"
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Cas do indeed pass the ball more but would it surprise you to learn that Wigan offload the ball more than Cas do?
[uIn fact a check of the Super League Stats site revealed that over the season Wigan offloaded 348 times and Cas 320 times. Wigan are second only to Leeds. Facts eh, they can get in the way of a good argument.[/u But this particular 'fact' might suggest that the coach isn't telling the players not to offload at all. That the players haven't then been able to capitalise is hardly the fault of the coach.
www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... club_stats'"
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| Quote ="fbstackafelt"offloading the ball didnt stop cas from stuffing you 3 times this season, combined score of 119 - 34?'"
I know, they also stuffed Leeds four times! |
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| Quote ="fbstackafelt"offloading the ball didnt stop cas from stuffing you 3 times this season, combined score of 119 - 34?'"
Cas have been the best team in the competition by a country mile - until the games that matter.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Cas have been the best team in the competition by a country mile - until the games that matter.
That's an issue for Cas, whether they like to admit it or not.'"
I remember the Zimbabwean batsman Graeme Hick who regularly flayed bowlers to all parts until he played test cricket, when it got too tough for him. It was because of him that the term 'flat track bully' came into usage.
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Cas are the 'flat track bullies' of Rugby League!'"
they certainly bullied your set of thugs |
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The Salford team of around 67 - 74 was similar. Great individual talents in Watkins, Fielden, Richards, Nash they were record points scorers, a joy to watch and were Champions a couple of times in the first past the post system. Sadly they always came unstuck in the big cup games (ironically to Cas amongst others on several occasions).
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| Quote ="fbstackafelt"offloading the ball didnt stop cas from stuffing you 3 times this season, combined score of 119 - 34?'"
Hahahaha aaah funny. I prefer the statistic of championship trophies lifted in 2017:
Wigan 1 (World)
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| Quote ="fbstackafelt"they certainly bullied your set of thugs'"
Zero Red Cards
Seven Yellow Cards (lower end of the league)
Eighth in the list of penalties conceded (below Cas)
Zero members of our squad at the start of 2017 caught taking drugs (2 from Cas)
1 major trophy (Cas won a new tray for the tea lady to bring out the brews on) |
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| Game, set, match, Classless Cas |
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Zero Red Cards
Seven Yellow Cards (lower end of the league)
but 75% more than cas
Eighth in the list of penalties conceded (below Cas)
5% less penalties, well done for not getting caught!
Zero members of our squad at the [ustart of 2017[/u caught taking drugs (2 from Cas)
0 from Cas at the start of 2017 and only 1 during the season Chase was with Widnes
1 major trophy (Cas won a new tray for the tea lady to bring out the brews on)
1 trophy won by beating 1 team as compared to 1 'tea tray' won by winning 25 of 30 superleague games '"
lets @cherry pick' a few more statistics
29% more tries than the 'mighty' wigan
67%more goals
38% more try assists
31% more tackle busts
32% more clean breaks
points difference of 429 compared to your massive 23
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| Quote ="fbstackafelt"lets @cherry pick' a few more statistics
29% more tries than the 'mighty' wigan
67%more goals
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points difference of 429 compared to your massive 23
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You needed to add:
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Classless Tigers - clean break champions 2017
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Maybe thats what those embarrassing champions T shirts were referring to? |
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29% more tries than the 'mighty' wigan
67%more goals
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points difference of 429 compared to your massive 23
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And all for........nowt
You see the difference between clubs like Wigan and Cas is that in your best ever season, you've won only the LLS, which nobody cares about. In a poor season for us we became World Champions.
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