bestie1983, im a saints and believe me scott moore is dreadfull, so i would accpet that bid and would be glad to see the back of him, he carnt pass, tackle, kick or attack

With Finch arriving? We are talking next season and with the squad we will have he's going to be a bench player at best IMO. He can cut it against the lesser teams but I think we are going to find out his legs are not up too it in high intensity games like the playoffs. So next season he could do a job if injuries occur but I would not want him playing in big games like Leeds, Saints and Wire.

Dave

No one has picked Harrison Hansen yet, is that because people think Mossop and Farrell are already better than him, believing these rumours about going to Salford or just forgetting about him? Whatever it might be i personally think he will be in the first 17 if everyone was fit because of the extra experience and physicality he offers compared to the younger players, same with Prescott as Pemps said.

Also I would imagine Lima will be used as an impact prop with Coley starting. A bench of McIlorum, Lima, Prescott and Hansen with the option of bringing O'Carroll, Farrell, Tuson or Mossop in is a great prospect and the years we've put into these players will really pay off.

Rubbish.

Just in sheer hope that we sign a new 9:

1. Sam
2. Roberts
3. Gleeson
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Finch
7. Leuluai
8. Fielden
9. Someone as good as/better than Piggy or we are screwed.
10. Coley
11. Hoffman
12. Joel
13. O'Loughlin

14. Lima
15. McIlorum

and Prescott/O'Carroll/Mossop/Hansen/Tuson/Farrell/Davies to fight it out over the last two spots which is the best thing about our squad next year.

Phelps does play 6 is there any possibility he could be fulfilling this position next year with Sam going to fullback? I wouldn't personally make this move but I'd like to see him some where in the 17 man squad.

Can't see that happening when he can't get a game in the current squad.

Sam at full back is a must gives us way more options

I think Roberts at fullback gives us way more options.

If he can recapture his early season form (which was only halted by a serious injury) then he was one of the best and most destructive players in the league at that time.

If everyone is on form, then....

Roberts
Richards
Carmont
Gleeson
Goulding (Just because he deserves it)

Sam
Finch

with Tommy in the hooking role.

Is stronger than.........

Tomkins
Richard
Carmont
Gleeson
Roberts

Finch
Deacon?

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Sam has been fantastic at FB, but he was also fantastic at SO. He's going to be fantastic wherever you play him, and if we have another top quality FB in Roberts then we can play them both in positions where they are both very effective.

Yeah with his early season form roberts was world class at full back and with goulding doing well on the wing id ave him there

I have my doubts that Deacon will be a player next year, at least from what i am hearing. Though it will probably depend if we sign anyone else in the coming months?

1 Phelps
2 Goulding/ Roberts
3 Gleeson
4 Carmont
5 Richards
6 Tomkins
7 Finch
8 Fielden
9 TL
10 Coley
11 Hoffman
12 JT
13 Lockers

14 Mickey Mac/ Deacon

Then let lima, hansen, prescott, o'carroll, etc... fight for the bench spots

Too many options for me to decide, will all depend on form and injuries.

don't expect anything special from Lima, Finch, Hoffman nest year as it took, Pat, Piggy, Roberts a year to settle in.

What about barrett and kenny?

I hope you're wrong. Hoffman is only here for 12 months.

I really do hope the club are sure about the "9" and if something planned.

Again last Friday it was like Night & Day when Piggy went off!

If no more signings are made id go-
Roberts
Goulding(with pressure from charnley)
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
S Tomkins
Finch
Fielden
Leuluai
Coley
Hoffman
J Tomkins
Lockers

Subs
Lima
Hansen
Farrell
Mcilorum

Id play hansen on the bench to cover either prop or second row with Hoffman spelling at prop. Imo Liam Farrell is making himself very very hard to leave out and id have to find a spot for him.

Tomkins
Goulding Gleeson Carmont Richards
Finch Deacon
Fielden Tommy Coley
Tomkins Hoffman
Lockers
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Lima
Hansen (As a prop)
Mossop
Farrell/Tuson/McM

Mellor to replace Deacon perhaps?
Marsh and Charnley to cover for the centres and wingers.
Davies to gain more minutes starting from the bench when needed.
Roberts to earn his right to play in the 13.
Prescott and O'Carroll to get the boot if they don't show massive improvement.
Pryce and Phelps to get the boot.
Hock to come back as a prop/SR.

I wish they'd kept hold of Sammy Gee, as a hooker who was an active part of the very successful Wigan youth system it would be the right time for him to push on.

S Tomkins
Roberts
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Finch
Leuluai
Fielden
New #9
Coley
Hoffman
J Tomkins
O Loughlin

McIlorum
Lima
Prescott/O'Carroll
Mossop/Hansen/Farrell/Tuson

That's what I'm hoping to see

Interesting point about Gee. I thought he looked most impressive in Wigan's reserves throughout that two year spell when the forwards pack was very dominant with Davies, Farrell, Mossop etc being pushed around by Gee. I was surprised when he was free to leave. He's ripped it up at Skolars. Far too good for that league, I saw him score one of the best individual tries i've ever seen at Blackpool.

Id have fielden and prescott starting with lima n coley off the bench.

Still a few positions up in the air for next year but thats the best thing about having quality squad depth. If players are injured or not performing there will always be someone to come in of a good standard.

Still one quota spot yet so still a chance for someone else to come in or maybe resign Phelps for another year whos had some bad luck with injuries.

Tommy is an 80 minute player whether it be 9 or at 7. I cannot see him coming off the bench unless he has a significant drop in form. Micky Mac has a chance to play a bench role week in week out but theres so many options its not guaranteed. Ideally we need Roberts or even Phelps stay fit to look after the full back duties to prevent Sam dropping to 1 so we can leave Tommy at 9.

I think we need to give Sam as much time in the halves as possible with Finch as when Finch leaves it will be Sam's job to run the show from half back. I dont mind us playing him at full back but we do not want to overdo it his position is half back and first and foremost thats were we should look to play him to gain experience and confidence.

Mossop will stay in the second row next year but he has alot to prove at the moment he is behind Farrell, Tuson, Hansen. obviously Joel and Hoffman. Our props will be Prescott, Coley, Fielden, Lima. Hock to come in as well so we will have plenty back up in the props and second row.

Roberts
Goulding
Carmont
Gleeson
Pat
Finch
Sam
Fielden
Tommy
Coley
Hoffman
Joel
OLoughlin

Lima
McIllorum
Farrell
Hock

Roberts
Goulding / Charnley
Gleeson / Marsh
Carmont / Charnley
Richards
S Tomkins
Finch
Fielden
McLlorum
Coley
Hoffman
J Tomkins
O'Loughlin

SUBS

Tommy
Prescott / Hock
Lima
Hansen / Hock

Next year i expect rotation virtually every game especially in the forwards and it will help us no end with the all action high impact defence our forwards are expected to achieve by Madge. so the likes of O'Carrol, Davies, Farrell, Tuson, and Mossop will still get plenty of game time. When Hock comes back if he regains the form hes capable and depending on which position he is being moulded for he'll push someone out of the first 17.

In the backs i expect our younger players to get a few extra games aswell, it should be much easier blooding the youngsters next year than ever before with this team and how dominant it could be.

I'll take a pop...

1. S.Tomkins
2. Goulding
3. Gleeson
4. Carmont
5. Richards
6. Finch
7. Leuluai
8. Fielden
9. McIlorum
10. Coley
11. Hoffman
12. J.Tomkins
13. O'Loughlin

14. Lima
15. Hansen
16. Prescott
17. Roberts (Utility Back/Sam to halves and Leuluai to Hooker)

Reserve Backs - Charnley, Marsh, Pryce(?), Phelps(?)
Reserve Halves - Deacon(?), Mellor
Reserve Props - O'Caroll, Davies, Mossop, Hock(?)
Reserve Back Row - Farrell, Mossop, Tuson, Hock(?)