He says something like "Joel, are you alright?"

Joel (who is clearly not) says something like "no"


Wigan are 14 points down at this point.



Not sure what you are trying to read into here?

Coley and Feka have directly blown up at him this season for subbing them.

The look was one of total contempt tonight. Its these kind of signals that give us looking from the outside in an idea of what is going on.

The Sam Tomkins interview on debut can be added to the evidence.

It is not the individual events that should be a worry but when you combine them then i feel it does show we are a club who are far from happy with the coaching.

Just watched it, and it was Joel actually, Prescott was sitting next to him and Joel gives Nobby the evils.

I was just wondering if anyone else had seen it or if i was just seeing things or reading too much into it. Do you see at as a sign of the players falling out with the management or just a natural reaction to the score at that stage?

The signs have been there for the last 2 years in my opinion, and i have been vocal about them on here.

Well that particular incident - I wouldn't read anything into.

Joel is clearly unhappy that he is injured (we don't know for how long yet don't forget) and Wigan are losing.


I can't comment on the other stuff as I haven't noticed it myself.

Jesus. People will cling to anything wont they.

In what way?

The fact that there are direct signs of no confidence in the coach displayed week in week out or the fact that people chose to ignore them?

Or the fact he asked Joel if he was okay, and Joel said no. There was no evil glare and no big drama.

He was probably out of it, the commentary said he had blurred vision at the time, probably didn't know who he was looking at, and probably why Noble came looking at him and asking if he's ok.

Maybe. maybe not. But combine it with the other visable signs of discontent then could it be so easily over looked?

There is no smoke without fire and i think we have seen a few direct and indirect challenges to BN from his players that show all is not well. This is of course disregarding the inept performances.

I agree with that, things are clearly not well, and sadly, i think time is up on Noble's reign.

That being said, lets stick to facts and point, there was nothing in the Tomkins thing, lets stop looking for things to beat Noble with.

How can you be so sure, its something a few people picked up on. We are never going to know the ins and outs but in conjunction with the rest of the signs i do not think it is something that can be brushed to one side in my opinion.

Im certain, because some people will look for anything to add to the list of reasons to sack Noble. That imo is leading to crazy posts like this where players with double vision / concussion are being accused of showing the underlying problem at the club by giving "evils" to the coach.

Big call.

If Noble as i am sure he did had the knowledge of his condition it is a fairly poor reaction to his status as an injured player.

Showing very little interest to the reaction.

Now i do not disagree it could be something or nothing, but if we easily dismiss the interactions we see then in my opinion we over look the best pointers to what is going on.

If we go back to Feka calling Noble out from the stand from bringing him off against Hudds i think it was, there was a thread on here and it was equally dismissed as something and nothing, but i would argue now most in hindsite would see more in it.

The Feka incident was clearly frustration at being subbed - that could point to bigger issues, or indeed just point to the fact Feka felt fine and was frustrated at being subbed. But yeah, that may point to something.

I just feel that todays incident doesn't even warrant a mention.

I doubt any look was intentional, due to this.

Firstly i think we have delt with this but fair enough, if as it seems some are certain this is the case and the lad is in such a bad state, i am sure BN would have known this at the time look at his reaction to the situation.

To clarify this i do not expect him to give the lad a hug but it is asked in a very cold way, as if he is doing it for doing its sake and he is very dismissive not waiting for any kind of response.


As i said these interactions are what i think personally hide the truth to the situation, and though easily dismissed should be looked at as an indication of potential issues that we as fans have no insite into.

Sticking to facts is a fair point. Trying to second guess conversations on the bench is silly. I am not a fan of Noble but lets stick to the facts and there are plenty of those!

Dave

We do not know the facts. It is all speculation.

I don't think we need worry about any of this, to be honest.

Noble's time would be up at any professional sports club by now. And it surely must be at Wigan.

The evidence is all there. The team has regressed badly over the last couple of seasons. People - myself included - have pointed excitedly to the end of season fightbacks which appear to have earmarked us during the 'Noble era'. But I now wonder if they're more indicative of the 'Barrett era', which of course has passed.

If he's lost the respect of the players, that's another reason to can him, but there are plenty reasons without that. We've a dreadful and boring team which is simply not reflecting the sum of its quite talented parts.

The head coach has to take the blame for that. We can't stick up for him any longer, or waste time wondering why things have suddenly gone pear-shaped for him. The game has moved on, and Noble hasn't been able to move with it. That's the be-all and end-all from what I can see, and to replace him at the end of this year, or even before then, could never be construed as a kneejerk reaction.

And when he goes - presumably back to Bradford (I can't see anyone else wanting him on current form) - I hope he takes Fielden with him, because he's another one who I'm tired of defending when, quite frankly, his performances have been increasingly indefensible.

Personally I have little respect for players who ignore their coach or show disrespect.

Is there anything worse than a professional sportsman choosing when and when not to turn it on?

If that's the case it doesn't matter what Noble does as the players aren't giving their all, that's an insult to the club and it's fans.

I thought Joel just stared at him and the camera moved away before anything else happened.

Much a do about nothing for me.

I think Barrett is the key factor missing. Not hiding the other issues in the team, but I think if Barrett had been in the there we would have be looking at 2-3 more wins than we have now. We have zero ability to break the line when 5-10m out, oh apart from the kick to the corner for Pat.

the fact is at training noble cannot make it all the time;
he sometimes makes it 3/4 times a week because he still lives in bradford.
the players find it hard to fit noble's tips into their training because he's not always there to observe, this is shown between the relationship with the players and him, they feel as if he is not giving enough support to them, especially at this time where they are struggling,
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