Just seen the Saints/Hudds highlights on SSN, my god Hudds left hand side was shocking, Makinson just scored a hat trick without getting his jersey dirty.
I know it always seems like a tough game at their place but there's two points going begging next week.

You could see what my point was, because I explained it afterwards... Being a nob wasn't required.

Williams always produces nothing from nothing ....

Seriously? I can only think of Gildart on current form who would get in the Saints team.

Not getting too carried away. We were crying out for sammut in the last ten minutes IMO just to do some good clearing kicks. Poor long kicking game was inciting pressure. Great to win away from home but we need to improve.

Id stick sammut in the halves next week, Tommy to bench hooker. Greenwood to right back row and Isa to prop for Partington. And Hardaker to wing for Marshall.

Hankinson and Sarginson superb tonight. Sarge will go better linking into the attack after a proper weeks training.

Would Justin Holbrook make a difference if he had our squad to work with?

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Williams over one of Fages/Lomax and Burgess over Grace maybe? but other than that I’m not sure and I imagine saints fans probably would be happy keeping what they have but a lot can turn when a team is in form and I think on form our back row can more than match theirs. Similar with Hardaker over Coote even though I have been really impressed by Coote.

I think we may have lost had Sammut been introduced, his tackling is pretty ordinary and Leeds would have targeted that. It’s all in hindsight though. I do agree that our long kicking game was poor but that was mainly down to the pressure that Leeds put our kickers under. Leeds kickers had time to tie their laces as there was very little pressure placed on them. A wins a win though, like you say Sarginson (and I’m a critic of him) & Hankinson were superb tonight, in Hankinson have we found our new kicker?

I'm with the OP on this.

It's a cliché, but form is temporary. The majority of this team won a GF less than 12 months ago. We then lost 3 - 4 top players and that's taken us down a couple of levels. That suddenly doesn't mean the whole team is written off and we can't get back there if guys like Sam, Bateman & Sutton are adequately replaced. I'd go as far as to say if you put those three in this current side we'd easily be top three.

Steady Sir .
Statements like that are not conductive to the agendas we like to cultivate on this forum.
My large "Spoons"breckie with extra black pudding in Leeds City Centre this morning is going down rather well after last night . See you all in Huddersfield next week lol .

Regards EW

Some pretty big over reactions on here regarding Sarg,Powell and Isa, probably similar to the ones when we lose and they get flogged by fans.
All 3 give their all on the pitch but lack quality, they are great squad players who ideally if we where in a good place would be back ups at full strength. Sarg and Isa have good utility value and Powell is great in defence and in a salary capped sport not everyone in your squad can be stars but let’s not get carried away with last night.

We are in desperate need of two props, looking at last nights stats:

Metres - Tackles
Bullock - 49 - 24
Navarette - 32 - 24
Partington - 6 - 6

Simply not good enough despite our win.

No over reaction
Just an honest assessment of 3 players who when things aren't going well are the ones who bear 90% of the brunt from "some" fans yet are the ones usually playing 80mins virtually every week with outstanding effort.
I have no arguments that all 3 players have certain limitations about their game, but there are 5/6 other players (see prop stats below) who need to seriously up their game and I find it astonishing that they seem overlooked when it comes to criticism.

As an aside, interesting watching game back this morning yet again opposition players and coaches talking so highly about George William's.
Yet we have people saying he produces nothing out of nothing.

Unfortunately some people only realise what they have when it's gone, and no amount of supposed improvement in his game when hes elsewhere down to supposed coaching, fitness etc will.convince me that George hasn't been a real good player for us and is a player I'm going to be VERY sad to see go.

PPS
How much do we miss Farrell?
Hes like a well oiled machine.

Farrell is so under rated. We must keep him on the left as his skills are finely tuned over years to that side and he is like the final jigsaw piece to the puzzle. We need more punch down the right so Greenwood must play on the right to give us a running threat.

Hankinson was a stand out. He shone through a dim tunnel.

An alien watching SL for the 1st time would be forgiven for thinking the aim of the league is to finish as further down it as possible.
Only 2 teams being useless at it.

I’m not sure I’ve seen a player as underrated in my time watching the game. I’d probably have him down as our best player now that Bateman and Tomkins have gone.

Williams can be frustrating at times but I think we will realise how good he is when he’s gone, it’s also not helped that he hasn’t had a half to compliment him since Smith left.

He’s certainly been our most consistent performers over the last 10 years. Amazes me that he doesn’t get the recognition he deserves.

Maybe the alien now thinks it down to one team, to the alien it would appear that wire are now improving

Hull K R 16 - Warrington 14 That should keep Rubber Duckie in his bath and off this site for a bit.

Mate you’ve spoke down to us on here a few times this year like Wire are some sort of team we should be aiming to emulate in the quality stakes. You’re slightly better then us but in terms of trophy chances, you’re as far away from Saints as the rest of us.

We’ll end up with the same come mid October.

Plus that's an oxymoron (and yes the pun is intended).

If they were both aiming to finish down the league then we'd be making a good job of it.
If we were making a terrible job of it we'd be up near the top.

Best laid plans and all that

Yeah. The only way is to do it yourself. You can never rely on anyone else.

It seems crazy to be posting this but should we win the next two matches (both winnable) we will, in all probability, be in 5th position.