So any post that doesn't agree isn't sensible? Not many people seem to be 'anti-Brigantes' but a few have said they think the term 'ultras' might give the wrong connotations.

Hardly a huge amount of dissent. Still, I think extreme sarcasm might help a lot.

I like everything the Brigantes do with the flags and the songs and the creating the fantastic atmosphere especially at away games but I do believe its been a mistake to give yourselves a seperate name to all the other Wigan fans, it does attract idiots as this thread shows, who think they belong in some sort of rebel group.

We already had the idiots....

I don't think the Brigantes are likely to attract an unsavoury element. As Wigan Peer said, we already had idiots who watch Wigan, the same goes for every Super League club. You'll find people like that in all walks of life, so it's nothing to worry about when it's only a few individuals.

Rugby league does seem to have a problem with admitting problems though. If someone misbehaves at a Wigan game the usual response is 'they aren't Wigan fans' or 'they aren't rugby fans'. Well the truth is they are. It's just like when there is crowd trouble and people say that it was probably football fans. No, it probably isn't, they are rugby fans attending a rugby match.

RL has very few problems with fans but it doesn't mean any problems have to be dismissed as being caused by some other group of people. Sorry for going on a bit of tangent, but it's still fairly relevant.

And it seems that the Brigantes have helped to bring this particular miscreant to book, or have i read it wrong.... Nurse is coming to bath me and get me ready for bed soon...

At the end of the day this isn't a thread to hurl abuse at the group.

The Brigantes were not formed for vandalism and anyone who says different is wrong. The group was created to improve the atmosphere at home and away with songs and displays.

Anyone who did ANYTHING wrong last night will be severely dealt with both by the club and the group.

Mods, can we get this closed now?

I wasn't talking about the Brigantes in my last post but about rugby league in general. Sometimes any trouble people see at games is dismissed as being by people who aren't RL fans when they probably are.

I think the Brigantes are great with what they do, but they could perhaps do with some better PR.

Cripes!!!! Take a chill pill.... Its a forum, people can express their views...

Yes people can express their views but considering barley anyone on this board knows what's happened there is no point.

The culprits will be dealt with and we don't need this thread for that.

The thread is giving the group a bad name when only the idiots who were involved deserve that name

i don't agree, many of the views here have been infavour of the group... perhaps you should read it....

The group was created to improve the atmosphere at Wigan games. That is as far as it goes. We have been able to do that, the results are there for all to see. Anyone saying otherwise is just looking for an argument. We are not violent, we are not special. Weare merely Wigan fans trying to show colour and make some noise. If it does attract idiots then I hope we can police them and make them see there is other ways to have a good time. I would say there has been less idiot related issues since the Brigantes formed.

They guy who did the spraypaint is a LATICS fans, he is not even a Rugby fan. I can give you his facebook name if you like and you can go and have a look at the idiot for yourself.

Everyone was full of praise for us at the Saints away play-off, the atmosphere was terrific. Nothing has changed appart from an outsider trying to screw us over.

Hang on - I'm not sure people are against that "The Brigantes" want to achieve. As I said earlier, the flags and atmosphere created has been great, certainly better than it has been in recent years. I applaud what they have done. Wigan RL is the world's premier RL club, and as such, needs a great set of supporters.

I hope that clears that up.

However, I think some people, myself included, aren't comfortable with this creation of a "label" to distinguish a bunch of people who appear (to some of us anyway) to want to be the 'elite' clique of supporters. To me it seems a bit childish in an "I'm more committed than you - look I'm a Brigante!" type of way.

I appreciate, however, that this may not have been the intention. But that's certainly the perception.

Well you are not speaking for me....

i suggest you read the entire thread. it has gone from talking about 1 incident to this whole brigantes rubbish which is very relevant to ALL wigan fans

Nope. It's a forum and it's a discussion. Sometimes it's good to get things like this out in the open and everyone can learn something from other peoples opinions.

When did I say I was? I said "some people, myself included" not "everyone including Wigan Peer."

But his opinion is surely worth just as much. Hypothetically, if they could get thousands of fans involved by ditching the use of the word ultras or changing some of the logos I'm pretty sure they'd do it.
I'm guessing the 'brand' isn't bigger or more important than what their aim is.

I think that sometimes when someone aims criticism that way then the response, while perhaps understandable given that they don't wish to be associated with something that they weren't involved with, can sometimes be antagonistic, which isn't helping their cause.

A 'elite' clique that despite me not really noing any of the members I was made to feel very welcome by all involved on there coach last week and in the crowd with them

I don't understand why this has carried on so long. Somebody who was nothing to do with the group spraypainted something.... what can we do? We will police it better in future and that puts an end to it in my opinion.

If you don't like what we do or the way we do it then ignore us, don't post on this thread, don't look at us and don't join in, that is your choice. We are not making anyone join us or sing songs, or wave a flag.

Added to that I refuse to let the group be tarnished with the same brush as one idiot. The judgemental stereotypes on this thread say more about the people writing those posts then the people they are attempting to describe.

I've read the entire thread. And it's pointless.

If people are in disagreement with the group, don't get involved; but don't start criticizing hard work done by others.

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I don't think there is anything uneducated about peoples dislike of this term at all. If people attach yourselves with such a tainted term, they should expect their fair share of stick.

Merely pointing out that i was expressing my opinion, and not speaking for others, or expecting others to speak on my behalf.

What if people like all the hard work that they are doing and the great atmosphere they create at games yet have one or two issues they like to discuss? That seems to have been the case for a few people on this thread, including myself.

Surely it isn't a case of you're either with them or against them?

We've always had open meetings. On here and I believe the other site and we have invited fans to come and discuss anything that they are uncomfortable with, or can help us with. We are not a clique, far from it.

So please at next meeting come along and raise your concerns, the more the merrier. But we do need help even if it's only preventing what happened last night happening again.

I wasn't having a dig at you or anyone, I'm just saying all this probably isn't the most productive way to resolve any issues.

I completely understand what your saying but a 10 page thread starting the way it did, looks to give the group a bad name.

If you want to discuss any issues your probably best contacting one of the members.