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| Quote ="Cruncher"I think this is something of a sweeping statment.
Andrew Johns is still remembered as one of the world's greatest players despite, by his own admission, having taken recreational drugs during much of his career.
Wigan fans of my acquaintance feel the same way about him. Even though Johns played for Warrington, I don't know any who would immediately brand him a 'drugs cheat' as soon as his name is mentioned. Most, while they might feel that his appearance for Wire was a bit of a gimmick, still regard him as one of the greatest ever RL stars, and rarely mention his drugs issues.'"
It is a sweeping statement, absolutely. and as such not exactly out of place on this thread...
We both know that is the position was reversed then there would be 'some' who would take the opportunity to have a dig at us much like 'some' have on here.
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| Quote ="upsetzombie"It is a sweeping statement, absolutely. and as such not exactly out of place on this thread...
We both know that is the position was reversed then there would be 'some' who would take the opportunity to have a dig at us much like 'some' have on here.'"
'Some' is certainly orrect.
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| Quote ="Tezzerwolf"If we are to see ourselves as a family sport then players who commit such actions should not be allowed to play again, it's got nothing to do with football or another club. If a player knows the consequences then this would strongly deter them, if they choose to partake then they have to live with it. As for the Warrington player you are referring if you wont say who it is then it's irrelevant.'"
Absolutely - so I take it that you have petitioned to have Jon Clarke sacked by Warrington? And subseqently never cheer him? Clearly RL is a family sport and therefore no player who committed an assault that was serious to be deemed worthy of a prison sentence should ever be allowed to play RL again? Wigan sacked him following his disgrace; however the Wolves were happy to take him after he had a spell with the Broncos. I am sure you write to the chairman on a weekly basis. After all, Hock damaged himself with his stupidity, not some bloke outside a nightclub...
I would imagine that you were similarly outraged by your club signing a player who left his home country after pictures of him having sexual contact with a dog were published on the internet for all to see? I bet you shake your head in disgust every time he scores a try? Clearly there is no place in RL for such a deviant?
Sarcasm aside, I would like to hear you opinions on the aforementioned players - or is your outrage only limited to players who play for other clubs?
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| Quote ="BlackKnight"Absolutely - so I take it that you have petitioned to have Jon Clarke sacked by Warrington? And subseqently never cheer him? Clearly RL is a family sport and therefore no player who committed an assault that was serious to be deemed worthy of a prison sentence should ever be allowed to play RL again? Wigan sacked him following his disgrace; however the Wolves were happy to take him after he had a spell with the Broncos. I am sure you write to the chairman on a weekly basis. After all, Hock damaged himself with his stupidity, not some bloke outside a nightclub...
I would imagine that you were similarly outraged by your club signing a player who left his home country after pictures of him having sexual contact with a dog were published on the internet for all to see? I bet you shake your head in disgust every time he scores a try? Clearly there is no place in RL for such a deviant?
Sarcasm aside, I would like to hear you opinions on the aforementioned players - or is your outrage only limited to players who play for other clubs?'"
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| Don't expect a reply to that Black Knight....
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| Done the time and fair play to him for (seemingly) spending his time getting himself straightened out and super fit.
I like Gareth Hock - I've spent a lot of time and money following GB/England and he's one of the few world class players we have and he doesn't allow himself to be intimidated.
Will be good to have him back, top top player IMO and hopefully he'll be involved with England at the end of the year.
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| Quote ="BlackKnight"Absolutely - so I take it that you have petitioned to have Jon Clarke sacked by Warrington? And subseqently never cheer him? Clearly RL is a family sport and therefore no player who committed an assault that was serious to be deemed worthy of a prison sentence should ever be allowed to play RL again? Wigan sacked him following his disgrace; however the Wolves were happy to take him after he had a spell with the Broncos. I am sure you write to the chairman on a weekly basis. After all, Hock damaged himself with his stupidity, not some bloke outside a nightclub...
I would imagine that you were similarly outraged by your club signing a player who left his home country after pictures of him having sexual contact with a dog were published on the internet for all to see? I bet you shake your head in disgust every time he scores a try? Clearly there is no place in RL for such a deviant?
Sarcasm aside, I would like to hear you opinions on the aforementioned players - or is your outrage only limited to players who play for other clubs?'"
Spot on.
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| And what about their darling Andrew Johns or their current England centre?
If Hock had been "caught in possession" he would have got a slap on the wrists and maybe a small fine.
I wonder what Tezzerwolfs stance on drink driving is?
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| Interesting that Tezzerwolf either didn't know or failed to mention the player the Dire signed after being found guilty of drug possession, who still plays for them.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"And what about their darling Andrew Johns or their current England centre?
If Hock had been "caught in possession" he would have got a slap on the wrists and maybe a small fine.
I wonder what Tezzerwolfs stance on drink driving is?'"
Methinks Tezzerwolf should jog on back to the land of plastic mancs!
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| Quote ="warrior24"Methinks Tezzerwolf should jog on back to the land of plastic mancs!'"
Me thinks he already has
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| Quote ="warrior24"Methinks Tezzerwolf should jog on back to the land of plastic mancs!'"
Nice sweeping, incorrect, insulting generalisation.
just when you thought you had the moral high ground.
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| Quote ="upsetzombie"Nice sweeping, incorrect, insulting generalisation.
just when you thought you had the moral high ground.'"
It is correct and it is insulting and we'll always have the moral high ground.
Hated, adored but never ignored.
You can jog on with him scrikingzombie.
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| Quote ="warrior24"It is correct and it is insulting and we'll always have the moral high ground.
Hated, adored but never ignored.
You can jog on with him scrikingzombie.'"
Idiot.
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| Quote ="upsetzombie"Idiot.'"
I'm allowed to be, I'm on the moral high ground.
Now jog on and take special tezzer with you.
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| Quote ="warrior24"I'm allowed to be, I'm on the moral high ground.
Now jog on and take special tezzer with you.'"
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| Quote ="warrior24"Methinks Tezzerwolf should jog on back to the land of plastic mancs!'"
Born and Bred in Warrington CHESHIRE not Wigan GREATER (PLASTIC) MANCHESTER.
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| Seriously though everything taken on board and noted, agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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| Quote ="Tezzerwolf"Seriously though everything taken on board and noted, agree to disagree and leave it at that.'"
But your avoided giving us your thoughts on caught in possession and drink driving. Or is that a bridge too far?
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| Quote ="Tezzerwolf"Born and Bred in Warrington CHESHIRE not Wigan GREATER (PLASTIC) MANCHESTER.'"
Well done special tez, Wigan is in Greater Manchester, but Wigan folk DON'T talk with a plastic manc twang like Warrington folk do.
HTH.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"But your avoided giving us your thoughts on caught in possession and drink driving. Or is that a bridge too far?'"
I see what you did there Rogue.
He won't comment though will he? the evidence provided was the truth therefor he was found out.
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| Quote ="Tezzerwolf"Seriously though everything taken on board and noted, agree to disagree and leave it at that.'"
Nah, let just agree that you were talking out of your flue and leave it at that...
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| Quote ="Tezzerwolf"Born and Bred in Warrington CHESHIRE not Wigan GREATER (PLASTIC) MANCHESTER.'"
Both are actually still technically Lancashire.
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| Quote ="warrior24"Well done special tez, Wigan is in Greater Manchester, but Wigan folk DON'T talk with a plastic manc twang like Warrington folk do.
HTH.
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it helps greatly, i think the wigan accent is oh so nice! cultured almost!
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"But your avoided giving us your thoughts on caught in possession and drink driving. Or is that a bridge too far?'"
RG, you should know better, oh hang on i forgot you never ever get things wrong, you are the paragon of virtue.
as you may have tried to point out certain crimes are not covered by the RFL including drink driving or possession of drugs or ing people (drivers) of buses, and are therefore only dealt with by the criminal justice system, others like taking drugs are banned in our sport. can you therefore see the difference. you may have a strong moral opinion about the criminal actions of rugby players but who gives a poop for your opinion? tbh you are biased, just as i am! so this pointless bickering just gets us nowhere.
lets agree on one thing?
rugby players are human and make mistakes and therefore if they make mistakes that break laws who are we to sit in judgement? let he without sin and all that...
unless you've never broken a law in your life stop judging others and get on with the job of enjoying the greatest game!
i must confess your blinkered approach to our game does make me chuckle at times rogues
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