I love your loose application of the word 'fact'.

When IL says something it's either a 'lie' or 'not quite a lie but not quite the truth' (whatever the hell that drivel is supposed to mean). But when Sean Long says something, it's a 'fact'.

Given Long's impressive history of honest dealing, perhaps I should bow to your common sense. After all, you're the guy who knows at first glance what people are really like.

Well he either has or he hasn't which one do you think it is?

Has IL in your opinion said something to the shareholders and then done the complete opposite?

Simple question really but I'm sure you won't answer it

And any defence of IL will result in you spitting your dummy into next month!

Cruncher, leave them too it. They are so tedious its untrue. makes me wonder why, ifthey are so knowledgeable, about all things RL, why they are not in contention for the job. the answer is simple. they know nothing and think they know all, and god forbid that you should have an opinion that is not inline with their vitriol....

Facts.

1. We are in a far better position than we were when the previous owner left.

2. We have a stated intention to push young local talent.

3. We HAVE young local talent which is getting it's chance to shine.

4. We need that talent as the rules change.

My opinion.

BN has done a great job in stabilising the club, WHICH WAS ABSOLUTLY ESSENTIAL. However, i have not liked the lack of invention we have shown, much of which should be put down to recruitment, which is affected by SC considerations. We do not know the ins and outs about that, most is just supposition. We should thank BN for what he has done, we were damn close on Saturday, and its a long time since we went into a derby game feeling so confidant. As has been stated. the king is dead, long live the king.

We are Wigan, and we will be back where we belong. And don't think for one minuite that the rest of RL is not watching us and nervous of what is happening here...

So we are to believe that Sean Long just decided to tell some lies to the media now about Wigan not knowing who was going to be coaching them according to your theory?

Or is your theory that anything that brings IL's actions into question is a load of rubbish because IL can do no wrong?

Why cant you just accept that it happened? Be a man for once rather than just flying off the handle and rubbishing everything that does not suit what you want to believe.

Not at all. If you speak to AJ he will tell you i have said IL has done a very good job of the business side of things.

I can only assume you refer to me spitting my dummy out as being when i present people with a fact eg. the reason Sean Long did not sign for us.

Could it be that IL chose to NOT tell Long who the coach was going to be, as with Longs record it could have been on the back page of the newspapers the next day?

Couldn't have put it better myself (and that's saying something

).

You're right on all counts, as much about BN as IL. It's truly a pity that the rantings of micro-intellects can cause us to polarise our views so much.

I've got a good feeling this week, especially after reading morning's papers, and try as I may, I just can't get outraged about what was or wasn't said to Sean Long. The only thing that could really spoil the party now is if the new coach isn't who we hope it's going to be.

I think what we had was a novel situation. When was the last time a coach at any club who wasn't going to get a new deal saw his contract out?

I don't mean like Anderson at Saints or Lowe or Monie here who were leaving because they wanted to and it was all very positive with fans sad to see them go. I mean when was the last time a coach who the chairman did not want next year saw his contract out?

What usually happens is the coach gets sacked before the end of his contract (or if he is lucky made director of football like Powell at Leeds was) so Noble staying on to the bitter end was a new one on me and I think it makes an important difference to how things should be handled.

I also don't think not having the new coach signed up at the time the club could have announced Noble was leaving at the end of the season would have looked unprofessional. I think saying nothing as happened did look unprofessional. It makes it look as if they are peddling the job around and if they found no takers they will offer the existing coach the job anyway.

They didn't need to announce the new coach at the time they could have said Noble was off IMO so the failing to get McQuire and then giving it to Wane scenario need not have materialized. Mind you we may yet find ourselves in that situation if the BBC reports are to be believed it isn't all done and dusted with McQuire.



I get the impression the "neutrals" don't think this has been handled any better than Mo sacking another coach. It's a bit ironic letting a coach see his contract out turns out to be as controversial as sacking one!

Dave

Rantings?

The only person that is ranting is you and the IL happy clappers whenever anybody questions his actions.

Micro-Intellects?

It seems you think this about anybody that does not share your view on something. Only yesterday you called somebody else a prat just because they posted something you didnt agree on.

Your very good at giving but my God you cannot take anybody else having an opinion or view.

Adrian Lam is one of the applicants for the Barrow coaching role so cant see him being your new coach

Christ if true there chairman isn't short of splashing the cash is he.

Shame he couldn't spend it on some new kits for Sunday's final.

The clash was bad, we were watching the team in blue versus the team in slightly darker blue.

That was bad but I was referring to players having blue patches over old numbers. Looked like amateur RL

Could have been worse. I could have called him "a sly, obnoxious little to55er!" Oh, and a liar.

Thats what it is! Super league is only just about respectable.

This is true...

One of the members of the coaching staff went to Milton Keynes to meet Lenegan to discuss his future a while back. He came out of the meeting none the wiser, "with four different heads on" were his words...

Am I staying here with Brian next season?
If Brian goes, do you still want me?
Is Brian staying and I'm a goner?
etc...

Maybe Lenegan has form for keeping his employees guessing!



Whatever has gone on, Im 100% sure IL has acted in THE BEST INTERESTS OF WIGAN RL in what has been a unique and difficult situation.

He didn't do that tho.........

He didn't call him a liar directly though did he? I did



Just out of interest do you think he was telling the truth when he said he'd only made his final decision "3 or 4 weeks ago", especially given your comments earlier in this thread?

It's a strange one really. Do I think he's only made his final decision about 4 weeks ago?-yes?

Do I think he wanted it that way?-No hence the Kearney situation.

Some of you are saying Lam hasnt got the experience to be a SL coach. He did a very good job coaching our under 21s on a par with Wane I would think, he has been assistant couch at the Roosters and also at Cronulla, Probably one up on MAGUIRE, also he did a good job with PNG. So how come he is not qualified and the other two are. I am ashamed to say that I am a season ticket holder at Wigan,. the way Noble has been treated is disgusting. The fans on this forum have certainly done some stirring. You said Noble had had his chance yet could not produce, yet none of you expect our new coach to do any better unless he gets some new players. IMO the new man HAS to get to at least one final with the same set of players in his first season . Only then will I say that you and IL were right in getting rid of Noble . The fans should have been told what was going on at our last home game, they could then have thanked Noble for all he has done for us. Remember there must be at least 10 thousand season ticket holders who actually liked him .They dont all come on this forum.

That's a fair assessment.

My assessment was he'd made his decision months ago hence the Kearney approach.

I don't think the 3 or 4 weeks ago comment helps as it just undermines his credibility IMO.

He has acted in what he feels are the best interests if Wigan RL, time will tell if he is correct. Personally I dont think the above will achieve anything but cause confusion and an uncertain work environment which isnt a good thing