The only fact here is we are missing Gleeson, especially in defence. The club will take as long as they need to sort everything out for the good of the team and player, I've seen nothing during Ian lenegans time in charge to suggest otherwise. I dont see how constantly moaning that you "have a right to know" (you really don't!) is going to help?

Left Wigan. Oz in 2 weeks, Cronulla sharks. Done.

We get a transfer fee?

Until anything is confirmed Gleeson is still at the club, so anyone who says otherwise will just have to wait for news from the club.

I had forgotten about it on the whole, if the club could make an announcement they would.

I trust IL to sort it out in the RIGHT way, not to just come and give us all the gossip. Our clubs now seems to pride itself on how it looks in the press. Look at the Leeds saga last year for example and we made them look like idiots.

I would much prefer any situation like this is dealt with behind closed doors, obviously I would like to know but that is a selfish view not looking at the feelings of the club or Gleeson himself.

Yes we miss him but Joel was quality in the final quarter at centre, he could be a serious weapon and open up a space in the backrow which is packed with talent all the way down through the players who play in the 20's.

They should have got it sorted quicker because that is in the best interests of the club. Simple as that. I cannot see how anyone can think its been a good thing to have this drag on as long as it has.

It's also in the best interest of the player because the longer it goes on and the fact the club remains silent opens the player up to all sorts of possibly unfounded and detrimental speculation.



I am not sure what pre-season dinners etc have got to do with this but the club dragging this out in complete silence does no one any favours and either not having him in the team or not getting him out of the club is detrimental to the squad.

No one wants a blow by blow account but all the bar room lawyers speculating why nothing has happened more quickly are just fuelling the rumour mill as much as anyone speculating as to what really happened. There is one way to stop all that - get it sorted out and stop dragging it out.

I agree with DaveO, as far as I can see there are only four possibilities

1.Player is injured and not available for selection,
2.Player is on some kind of leave of absence
3.Player is suspended pending some kind of disciplinary situation
4.Player has been sacked.

Surely the club could make a statement saying which of these applies (without any legal issues clouding the issue). At least then everyone would be aware of the situation or status.

The club has a right to inform the fans, we pay money to watch the best players play, Gleeson isn't being picked and as a supporter and season ticket holder at the club then i have a right to know why he isn't being selected. This Gleeson saga needs to be brought to an end, Gleeson no doubt wants it to be over, his tem mates would like it to be over and all the wigan fans would like it to be over, some come on Ian Leneghan.......GET IT SORTED!

Im sure Lenegan is getting it sorted, and untill it is sorted, you wont hear anything. I really dont see the problem.

So you don't think the speculation fuelled by the silence is detrimental to the player? Or not having him in the side if he is still a Wigan player is bad for the team? Or if he has no future here the fact it is dragging on is not bad for the team and player? And ultimately while the fact we don't know which of those it is, is probably the least important concern, annoying the fans who [ido [/ifeel they have a right to know is simply not good PR by the club which could be accused of being rather arrogant and treating the fans as insignificant?

IMO for all those reasons above the club has handled this badly.

Unfortunatley legal issues come before PR. Id like him to be in the team, hes a quality centre. I dont think speculation is detremental to him because he will know what is going on. Again, once the situation is sorted the club will let the fans know. I think the club has handled it very professionaly.

And what legal issues might these be? This is what I meant about armchair lawyers using it as an excuse.

In any form of employment there are clauses in peoples contracts that will for certain behaviour lead to instant dismissal. Provided procedure is followed.

Now if Wigan (or any club) wanted to dismiss a player under these kinds of circumstance its a pretty quick thing to do. Or it ought to be unless they screw up the process.

So the fact its dragged on so long suggests they have screwed up the process - IF - they actually want to dismiss him but you see we don't know if they do because they have not said why he isn't playing! So the speculation on what happened and the clubs competence at dealing with it rumbles on.



Well we will have to agree to disagree because what have at the moment is player not playing who is taking up cap space who people insist is either already gone form the club or will be leaving. That does not fit my definition of very professional. Letting matters like this drag on is just the opposite.

At the end of the day, whatever has happened is being dealt with by the club. Its no different than any other walk of life. If you or I were going through any disciplinary procedures at work (im not saying that is what is happening with Gleeson). I wouldnt expect my boss to broadcast the details to everyone who wants to know. These things can take a long while to deal with, whatever it may be. Though like you say we will have to agree to disagree.

It does not take a long time over anything that leads to instant dismissal. People can quite legally be marched out of the office. Now redundancy is a different matter. There is a long consultation period and indeed you can't just sack people because you feel like it. As far as I know those are the only two ways employers can get rid of employees, sack them or make them redundant. If Wigan no longer want Gleeson at the club then making him redundant is not going to free up the cap space as compensation would be due. If Wigan wanted to sack a player but found due to procedural problems they could not and so compensation was due, then that's a screw up. No idea if that is what has happened here but sacking someone does not need to be a long drawn out process. Ask Ian Millward about when he was at Saints.

I agree with DaveO, having conducted more than enough disciplinaries and dismissals through the years i can state that these can and usually are sorted within a matter of days, two weeks tops. If Gleeson has been suspended (and lets face it we don't know if he has or hasn't) then the club has had more than enough time to carry out an investigation and called Gleeson back in to face a disciplinary hearing. Its interesting to read in the post today that it states Gleeson & Wigan have come to a settlement agreement which tells me that the club haven't followed the disciplinary route but has put Gleeson on gardening leave pending a severance deal, all in all this has been handled terrible by Wigan.

Where I work it regularly takes months. You think its been handled terrible, I dont. Everyone will have their own opinion on the issue. Lets just leave it be and see what happens in the coming days, weeks, months?

Are you sure you are not confusing dismissal with redundancy? The latter always takes months. The former is usually over and done with very quickly.

No. Lets leave this and look forward to Catalan

Exactly.



If true that will mean any money paid will count against the cap. Not how you want things to be done if so.

How about this for a possible scenario....

1 Gleeson is not suspended or anything like it.
2 He has been given compassionate leave to sort out serious problems in his personal life.
3 When (or if) those issues are sorted he will either be back or move on but that will only be discussed after his issues are sorted.
4 Gleeson is not in control of the timescale of getting his issues sorted, another 'agency' is.
5 For many reasons, the club can't possibly discuss these issues.

You never know it might be the truth.

Pure speculation of cause.

The Gleeson affair really seems to have brought you out of your shell this season, Dave.

Has there not been anything else you've wanted to talk about?

I am sure you can find several posts on other threads posted today.

FYI the reason I have not been on the boards as much lately was due to a family bereavement.

Why not simply issue a statement to this effect then?

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Gone!

"serious distraction in his personal life in which he was the victim - all of which have made it impossible for him to focus properly on his career "

now it seems most of the rumours/gossip are true.

i fancy we;ll hear more from other sources, and i fancy up until now the club hasnt known how things would pan out.

now we can move on ans the moaners about the club saying nothing can shut up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!