Quote ="fun time frankie"it is THE only derby i remember your last DERBY empty stands i seem to remember for the biggest game in rugby league'" Wrong again sunshine. Not doing well tonight are you? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_derby Quote The current Earl of Derby has confirmed that his family gave their name to only two sporting events; The Horse Race and the Rugby League match between St. Helens and local rivals Wigan. So in fact there is only one local derby in the world, in any type of sporting comeptition that can officially be described as a Derby match.'"

Quote ="fun time frankie"it is THE only derby i remember your last DERBY empty stands i seem to remember for the biggest game in rugby league'" Wrong again sunshine. Not doing well tonight are you? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_derby Quote The current Earl of Derby has confirmed that his family gave their name to only two sporting events; The Horse Race and the Rugby League match between St. Helens and local rivals Wigan. So in fact there is only one local derby in the world, in any type of sporting comeptition that can officially be described as a Derby match.'"

Quote ="MattyB"Wrong again sunshine. Not doing well tonight are you? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_derby '" yes i heard claire balding say that aswell but you have just contradicted yourself with the wiki page so which is it then

Quote ="MattyB"Wrong again sunshine. Not doing well tonight are you? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_derby '" yes i heard claire balding say that aswell but you have just contradicted yourself with the wiki page so which is it then

you still havent answered the wane question and evidence about leeds been the first pro team which come on is a lie

No Clare Balding claimed there were TWO "official" derbies.

The Epsom Derby horse race and the Wigan-Saints Derby match.

As per the Wiki page.

A match between Hull FC and Hull KR is like two dwarves arguing over who is the tallest.

yet the saints v wigan cup match was played in front of empty stands i dont think it beat our pre season friendly attendance but i will see you soon at our ground you never know you might get beat by our very poor side with our average scrum half you know the one that saved you when he was 19 well that and cheating on the salary cap

You couldn't make it up sometimes!

We were a very poor side back then, hence why we were fighting for survival, so I don't exactly know what that says about your Super Duper scrum half.

Wigan still had part time players right up to 1991:

Blood Mud & Glory - Neil Hanson.



Ged Byrne - Visual Technician (Window Cleaner).
Steve Hampson - Drayman.
Mike Forshaw - Worked with the council.
Andy Gregory - Scrap Metal business.
Brian Case - Bricklayer.
Mark Preston - Insurance Underwriter.
Billy McGinty - Landlord.
Ian Lucas - Antiques Dealer.
Phil Clarke - Sports Science Agency.
Andy Farrell - Did a couple of years as a labourer.

Yes, we had a few full time professionals like Hanley, Edwards...but were hardly a 'full time squad'.

it says he came in as a 19 year old and saved you from relegation so what exactly was your point do you think before you type

are you actually serious?

do some reading you cretin

We also bought Stuart Fielden and had Brian Noble in charge...

ok then i still think your stretching it a bit im probably thinking a couple of years later the offiah era i still dont think leeds were the first pro team that had to be you lot you were the only club with any money

Wasn't that the same year Hull KR were in the Second Division?

isnt that what caused your salary cap problems

yes your point been

This is brilliant reading. I've never known a more deluded set of fans!
Replacing Finch with Cronk, Soward or Widdop? Are you for real?
Fwiw when you are linked with Matty Smith, you can't really turn your nose up at Michael Dobson, even when you are the 'greatest team in rugby league.'

explain cretin what is me asking a question about wane so hard for you all to answer come on im still waiting

Lesson number 2...

We actually deferred payments so we did not go over the salary cap. So even though there wasn't much wrong in what we did, we still went against the "spirit of the cap" which is what we were punished for.

You won't remember that though because you were still in the lower division then...

But by the end of 1991 we had won:

The Challenge Cup in 1985, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991

World Club Champions in 1987, 1991.

Champions in 86/87, 89/90, 90/91.


When it was still a 'level playing field'.






By the time Offiah came, Leeds had purchased Ellery Hanley off us (for more than we originally bought him for), so desperate were they to emulate our success. They had Schofield, Gallagher (NZ RU Import) and many more, spent massive amounts of money to buy the success (but failed to win trophies).

We used the Hanley money to buy Offiah.

We still want Wane out, he is getting very lucky due to the fact the standard of the league is rubbish and teams like Hull KR provide us with very little competition. We even lost to Widnes!

He will do though...

dress up how you want you cheated end of and i wont even reply to your next pathetic thing you said

With regards to Shaun Wane, yes a very small minority on here questioned his credentials after the Hudds loss (big step for an assistant coach to up to Head Coach).

A few questioned his thought process for the selection against Widnes, where he rested 8 (IIRC) first team players. Many still think (me included) he got things wrong that day.

He's still learning and doing great. (Arguably better than Michael Maguire in fact - more fluid in attack whilst structured in defence).

i was at the 85 cup final you beat us in the semi i was gutted it was the only time i wanted you to win though

Some people take life way too seriously...

to be honest the team that played widnes was probably stronger than the one that battered leeds last week even with that team you should have beat widnes