|
 |
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 12860 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2008 | 17 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2020 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Smooth Stu"Any sporting business which has 13 home games plus a couple of friendlies and cup games, with an average crowd of less than 17000, paying reasonable ticket prices, wouldn't be able to finance a £25 million stadium. We should rent the JJB for as long as possible, to make the RL club more profitable, and more financially sound, enabling us to move forward with investment in the team, and facilities, giving us the best chance to compete in the league and cups. Had things been done differently when Jack Robinson was around, maybe we could have our own ground, but wasn't there also a risk we wouldn't even have a club back then?'"
We simply do not have the same income as premier league clubs, they are given around 40million a season according to that alan sugar programe. I bet that is more than our whole league and yet they get it for just one club. Imagine what a club like us could do with that kind of income? |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 224 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2017 | Apr 2017 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
The only thing missing is a gothic tower with a tolling bell .
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 910 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2013 | Jan 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
I think if the opportunity arises were we can buy the whole stadium, to make up for the lack of earnings would be to rent it out to Latics for a bigger price and change everything to rugby league.
If there's a game clash they can find somewhere else to go. Change the stands to cherry and white seats with 'WIGAN RL' all over them. And keep all the flags hung up on the south stand.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 79 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2010 | 15 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2013 | May 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
If I was you Barmy I'd see someone about the insecurity complex!
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 910 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2013 | Jan 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Brutum Fulmen"If I was you Barmy I'd see someone about the insecurity complex!'"
Already am |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 5443 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2018 | Aug 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="P-J"The seating is unreserved. If the noisy element wants to congregate it's just got to get there early enough.'"
Not when there's no transferring between East & South. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 16170 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2008 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2016 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="goobervision"I suspect that Saint's ground when complete will still be a bit sterrile and characterless having not grown orginically over a number of years. '"
[url=http://www.saintsnewstadium.com/mainOh, I dunno.[/url I think our new stadium will look quite classy. The curves can already be seen onsite and with it being totally enclosed, the atmosphere should be good. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 1851 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2008 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Nov 2021 | Mar 2020 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="SaintsFan"[url=http://www.saintsnewstadium.com/mainOh, I dunno.[/url I think our new stadium will look quite classy. The curves can already be seen onsite and with it being totally enclosed, the atmosphere should be good.'"
Will the TV microphones be right above you and none in the away end  |
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 5511 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Nov 2006 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Horatio Yed"www.warringtonwolves.org/disabled-supporters-info
What about the adults who work hard and pay for a ticket and want to stand.
The HJ is perfect in that it is 50% standing 50% seating.
He's a thought next time you come to the HJ, buy a ticket in the North stand, rocket science it ain't.'"
Mate, it's FAR from perfect! Why would you have a poll to see if the HOME fans want standing and then put it in the AWAY end! Seriously mate, this is not an anti-Wire thing, but I think your place is an appalling ground. I'm a hard working adult (as you put it) but I go with a pensioner father, a 9 year old son and a neice who needs a knee operation. I think that speaks for itself really. And please don't say "well sit somewhere else then". When I go to away games I want to be with the Wigan fans. That's half the fun! I wouldn't mind so much if Wire didn't consistantly oversell the away end anyway. Talk about sardines! Your ground is like a return to the dark ages when Wigan are in town. There should at least be an option of seating...not some archaic 'standing only, whether you like it or not' forced on us. I suppose, in the end, we do get a choice. We can either be crushed together like sardines in a tin or sit away from our friends and fellow fans, stand for several hours or sit on concrete steps and hold your child high enough that he/she can see or let them have a great view of someone else's back. With choices like that, how exactly do you conclude that it's (and I quote) "perfect"? It's one of the worst grounds in SL. Even the Willows offers seating in the away end. Says it all really! |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 5511 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Nov 2006 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Woody_woody"Think it would be great if they ripped the seats out of the east stand and turned it into a terrace. That would sort the atmosphere problem without doubt.'"
Jesus mate! Talk about think only of yourself!  |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 20628 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2016 | Aug 2016 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
The West side of the North has some seats allocated to away fans when it's packed and you're still next to 'your own', just not right in the middle of them.
The majority of away fans who come to the HJ love the fact we have terracing and not seats, your situation[Pensioner, 9YO & knee op niece isn't unique but it is rare.
The same could be said in reverse of stadiums like yours, Hulls, Quins, Hudds etc for the majority (and it is a majority) of people who prefer to stand.
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 2136 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Sep 2008 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2015 | Apr 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
don't know whether it's been said before but couldn't the club try to get a major multi national company to sponsor the stadium, get somebody like Microsoft, LG, Pepsi, Honda, Virgin etc to stump up say £10 million towards construction costs and then the stadium is named after them for a period of 10 year or longer? same with the stands but with smaller companys, lets say £1million buys you 5 years with your brand/logo plastered around said stand, if it could work then there is £14 million out of the £25 million somebody mentioned earlier, along with the sale of some of the clubs existing propertys and maybe a grant or 2 and it wouldn't cost IL must money if at all possible
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 18737 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Oct 2024 | May 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
|
If we did get our own stadium we could have a Bell End.
The old ones are the best, Yeeeeehaaaaw...
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 32361 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Dec 2024 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"don't know whether it's been said before but couldn't the club try to get a major multi national company to sponsor the stadium, get somebody like Microsoft, LG, Pepsi, Honda, Virgin etc to stump up say £10 million towards construction costs and then the stadium is named after them for a period of 10 year or longer? same with the stands but with smaller companys, lets say £1million buys you 5 years with your brand/logo plastered around said stand, if it could work then there is £14 million out of the £25 million somebody mentioned earlier, along with the sale of some of the clubs existing propertys and maybe a grant or 2 and it wouldn't cost IL must money if at all possible'"
What planet are you on?
There's still a world wide recession. Wigan struggled to get a shirt sponsor at the value they put on it.
No big company is going to invest over here in Rugby League, what's in it for them? I know it sounds negative, which is not like me, but it is reality. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 2136 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Sep 2008 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2015 | Apr 2015 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"What planet are you on?
There's still a world wide recession. Wigan struggled to get a shirt sponsor at the value they put on it.
No big company is going to invest over here in Rugby League, what's in it for them? I know it sounds negative, which is not like me, but it is reality.'"
no need to get your knickers in a twist, it was just a thought, but surely a substantial chunk of the money could be generated by sponsorship by a multi billion pound and several multi million pound companys even in a recession, surely it could be claimed as tax right offs, surely these huge companys spend 5 times that in advertising every year |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 415 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jun 2016 | Jun 2016 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"no need to get your knickers in a twist, it was just a thought, but surely a substantial chunk of the money could be generated by sponsorship by a multi billion pound and several multi million pound companys even in a recession, surely it could be claimed as tax right offs, surely these huge companys spend 5 times that in advertising every year'"
I like your optimism, but if it was as simple as getting a big company to sponsor your stadium then off you go and get one, then every one would be doing it. There is nothing really wrong with the ground we have now. Most peoples problem is that Latics play there. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 5750 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2020 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
I would absoulutely love a stadium like the HJ but slightly bigger, personally, I hate the DW, its a football stadium, no arguement about it. Sadly it'll never happen, we are there forever.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 415 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Feb 2006 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Jun 2016 | Jun 2016 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="21-12"I would absoulutely love a stadium like the HJ but slightly bigger, personally, I hate the DW, its a [ufootball stadium[/u, no arguement about it. Sadly it'll never happen, we are there forever.'"
Do you say that because its all seater? I dont mind the ground, though it would feel better if it was our own |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 5750 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2020 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="wiganers"Do you say that because its all seater? I dont mind the ground, though it would feel better if it was our own'"
It just has the feeling of a football stadium for some reason, but yes, id also like the upper north and south to be terraced with seating below, or vice versa. |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 1668 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2002 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2012 | Aug 2012 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I'm happy there. It is a superb facility that cost us relatively little.
Saints will be going onto that new stadium (and it does look nice) with a debt of somewhere between £2.5 and £5 million pounds. How long will it take them to recover that debt?
Where would the money come from to buy a new stadium?
Where could it be built?
The only other option would be is to buy the DW, but what would be the running costs?
Next time I see you I'll give you a bit of info, and you'll understand my reasoning.'"
Really, can you quantify that statement with fact or is it just pure speculation? (I know its the latter)
Considering Saints HAD to move to make the club viable and profitable, do you really think any RL club could carry a debt of £5million, and more the the point, do it purposely so they can have a new stadium? |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 32361 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Dec 2024 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Quote ="TheJudge"Really, can you quantify that statement with fact or is it just pure speculation? (I know its the latter)
Considering Saints HAD to move to make the club viable and profitable, do you really think any RL club could carry a debt of £5million, and more the the point, do it purposely so they can have a new stadium?'"
The £2.5 million was published on Red Vee a few weeks ago from a statement by McMannus There are other factors which "could" see that figure rise significantly, including the disappointing attendances at Widnes this year.
Copied from a post on Red Vee.
Trawl through the documents on the stadium site, you will find that the club took out a bridging loan to cover their part of the stadium cost, it cost £750 thousand over 18 months.
Stopping at KR for a further year would have mean't a longer loan period meaning a bigger loan, besides that the way they are ripping KR apart I doubt we had any option but to get out.
llpgport.oltps.sthelens.gov.u...mageName=89917
3rd paragraph.
Copied from the above address, (council stadium site)
The total indebtedness of the Club is likely to increase materially in order to finance St Helens
Rugby League Club’s proposed financial contribution to the construction cost of the new
stadium. Taylor Woodrow’s payment for Knowsley Road would only be received on vacant
possession. Resultantly, an 18 month bridge loan of £8 million would have to be taken out
pending completion. This is likely to produce an incremental interest burden of up to
approximately £750,000, which would be capitalised and added to the current indebtedness
of the Club of £1,750,000 (£750,000 bank debt and £1,000,000 director’s/shareholder’s
loans). The total Club debt at the time of the new stadium is likely to be in the region of
£2,500,000 which the Club would intend to secure against the long lease and the stadium
itself and redeemable in full over a ten year period. It is therefore envisaged that the majority
of all the Club’s profits will be applied to the repayment of indebtedness for the first ten years
in the new stadium. |
|
Quote ="TheJudge"Really, can you quantify that statement with fact or is it just pure speculation? (I know its the latter)
Considering Saints HAD to move to make the club viable and profitable, do you really think any RL club could carry a debt of £5million, and more the the point, do it purposely so they can have a new stadium?'"
The £2.5 million was published on Red Vee a few weeks ago from a statement by McMannus There are other factors which "could" see that figure rise significantly, including the disappointing attendances at Widnes this year.
Copied from a post on Red Vee.
Trawl through the documents on the stadium site, you will find that the club took out a bridging loan to cover their part of the stadium cost, it cost £750 thousand over 18 months.
Stopping at KR for a further year would have mean't a longer loan period meaning a bigger loan, besides that the way they are ripping KR apart I doubt we had any option but to get out.
llpgport.oltps.sthelens.gov.u...mageName=89917
3rd paragraph.
Copied from the above address, (council stadium site)
The total indebtedness of the Club is likely to increase materially in order to finance St Helens
Rugby League Club’s proposed financial contribution to the construction cost of the new
stadium. Taylor Woodrow’s payment for Knowsley Road would only be received on vacant
possession. Resultantly, an 18 month bridge loan of £8 million would have to be taken out
pending completion. This is likely to produce an incremental interest burden of up to
approximately £750,000, which would be capitalised and added to the current indebtedness
of the Club of £1,750,000 (£750,000 bank debt and £1,000,000 director’s/shareholder’s
loans). The total Club debt at the time of the new stadium is likely to be in the region of
£2,500,000 which the Club would intend to secure against the long lease and the stadium
itself and redeemable in full over a ten year period. It is therefore envisaged that the majority
of all the Club’s profits will be applied to the repayment of indebtedness for the first ten years
in the new stadium. | |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Chairman | 1668 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2002 | 23 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2012 | Aug 2012 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
I saw that post on Red Vee, I was wondering where the £5million had come from?
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Star | 550 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Sep 2010 | 14 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2014 | Sep 2014 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Everybody, just chill yer beans.
Latics will lose to West Ham on Sat and get relegated at the end of the season.
The mercenary players will either trigger their ‘if we get relegated’ clauses and do one, or be left at the club on a reduced (but still extortionally high) wage packet.
Latics attendences will plummet further, I predict that they will get less speccies in the championship ‘on the way down’ than they did ‘on the way up’.
Once the parachute payments run out they will be in serious trouble financially.
In steps IL, buys it a reduced price (as someone’s already said who else is going to buy it Orrell RU?), and Bob’s Yer Uncle welcome to OUR stadium.
I reckon most of us get wound up with the fact that we haven’t got our own stadium (sometimes fuelled by posters from other clubs on here), but patience, patience. I can see some sort of the above scenario happening in the not too distant future.
I agree that it feels soulless at times. (It doesn’t when it’s got over 20k on). It will never be CP and the older ones of us will always, quite rightly, think back with nothing but fondness for it, even if the facilities were crap.
Things I would change if we owned it.
Put some terracing in.
Somehow get rid of the open corners (although probably too expensive).
Remove all reference to football.
Rent it to conference football team WAFC.
To dream, eh, to dream.
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 79 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2010 | 15 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| May 2013 | May 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
Talk about a ungrateful bunch, we put a roof over your heads and it's whinge whinge whinge! anyway you can't rip the seats out and put terracing in the stands are too steep!
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 11377 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Sep 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Dec 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
|
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="TheJudge"I saw that post on Red Vee, I was wondering where the £5million had come from?'"
He decided to double it to make himself feel better about renting from Latics and giving match day income to someone else, isn't it obvious? |
|
|
|
|
|
