Quote ="Jukesays"Absolutely spot on Using a still shot from a different anlge to say what the ref could or couldn't see is ridiculous'" Case in point. https://www.facebook.com/reel/735599925 ... e&s=TIeQ9V Apologies if this link doesn't work. But it's on Facebook on NRL on Nine page. Even the studio of Aussies is split there. Brad Fittler saying on the line. As I said earlier, not as controversial as Saints/Wire fans will have you believe. That video favours the ref's initial call.

Quote ="Jukesays"Absolutely spot on Using a still shot from a different anlge to say what the ref could or couldn't see is ridiculous'" Case in point. https://www.facebook.com/reel/735599925 ... e&s=TIeQ9V Apologies if this link doesn't work. But it's on Facebook on NRL on Nine page. Even the studio of Aussies is split there. Brad Fittler saying on the line. As I said earlier, not as controversial as Saints/Wire fans will have you believe. That video favours the ref's initial call.

Quote ="LewCharnock"Case in point. https://www.facebook.com/reel/735599925 ... e&s=TIeQ9V Apologies if this link doesn't work. But it's on Facebook on NRL on Nine page. Even the studio of Aussies is split there. Brad Fittler saying on the line. As I said earlier, not as controversial as Saints/Wire fans will have you believe. That video favours the ref's initial call.'" That's brilliant

Quote ="LewCharnock"Case in point. https://www.facebook.com/reel/735599925 ... e&s=TIeQ9V Apologies if this link doesn't work. But it's on Facebook on NRL on Nine page. Even the studio of Aussies is split there. Brad Fittler saying on the line. As I said earlier, not as controversial as Saints/Wire fans will have you believe. That video favours the ref's initial call.'" That's brilliant

DOESNT ******* MATTER

It was given, move on

The image with Wardles finger is an example of nothing only him putting a finger up to indicate he got the ball down at a point, not as the picture is caught.

Go around in circles here but.... you have three tacklers trying to stop a try no conversations with each other trying to do their best but all acting independently, the whole action lasts a second at most at the point ref gets a view he sees ball on floor clearly shown on image, Wardle finger in air was to say he got it down but by that time they have pushed him back away and is a moment later than the grounding. No way on earth from camera angles can anyone for certain say ball doesn't touch white grass. Nor can they for sure say that it's Wardle moving it and not one of the tackling players pulling the arm up while other player pulling arm away in opposite directions. But which ever side you sit we are all bias.
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The images are all different timeline ball is never really stationary Wardle trying get to line one Penrith player pulling to body other pulling away, it does show that the ref does see what he thinks is a grounded ball and is also better placed than any camera. The shape of ball it's position and the run of the line would 100 times out of 100 see this go up as a try, and by the rules in place you can't chalk it off no matter how your bias would like that.
I can live with that just like I'm sure Saints fans can live with Penrith players backing up what many thought last year, that they didn't take last year's game seriously and didn't really prepare for it. We both have it chalked down as a win.

Apologies if it’s been said already on one of the previous pages…but I can’t believe the lack of credit given to Wigans effort when you factor in there was no Havard, Thompson and Walters. Going up against a massive pack like that with Leeming and Cooper getting injuries in the game (appreciate that Cooper came back on) and a really raw prospect in Hill. Outstanding effort when you factor in things like that.

Big shout out to Cleary as well. The fact that, after defeat, he went to the North stand and spent god knows how long taking selfies with fans and signing autographs. True class

Oh, and our win has tarnished the competition apparently

Yes brilliant - thought it was a bit of a shame that the Wigan team didn't take the trophy around the stadium to the fans. I'll let them off as I'm sure they were just knackered!

It was a shame but it just all became a bit splintered. I think they give so much access to the media that lads were getting pulled here, there and everywhere. Harvie Hill seemed to try and get everyone together to start down the North End but some lads were near the west, some near the south and some with the media.

I notice you didn’t beat a team just missing Edwards add Koroisau, Kikau and Martin

That’s using your logic of players that are no longer at the club

To add to the praise for Cleary and what he did at the end of the game signing autographs etc
My mate is on the backroom staff and he said the Captain Isaah yeo was absolutely Brilliant with everyone from Wigan at the end of the game
He said he shook hands and congratulated every single player, back up player and junior and went round to all the backroom staff and anyone who was their representing the Wigan club and congratulated them and thanked them.

Pure Class

just to add my bit regarding Cleary brilliant from the lad all to easy to get back inside but no he was generous with his time for fans credit to him, as for wigan well it was a little bit of a shambles for a club that rightly places importance in its fans it was a poor show not taking the trophy round the press can wait for me credit to the few who wandered over but no im sorry it should have been shown round by the whole team after all they managed it in 2017 didn't they.

Even it has ended the WCC as a concept



A massive crowd, Media interest, a great spectacle - yes lets kill it - the parochialism of some in RL continues to drag our game down.

Seeing a number of posts saying that Moore was guessing on the final "no try".
Look at the live footage, its clear that Wigan players have hands under the ball and its held up, on that basis Moore is justified in not guessing, sending it up as a no try just in case and there is no evidence that the ball touches the ground - No Try confirmed.

Contrast that with Edwards try, he is held up briefly but Moore see the ball on the line and so he sends it up as try to be sure and its confirmed. Similar with Wardles try, the ball is on the line.

Great result for Wigan, well done.

With all the advantages Penrith have over every SL team they should be taking the ref out of the game. They were second best last year and benefitted from some calls, they were clueless with the ball this year and are whining about some calls.

They weren’t good enough on the night and their execution was inferior to Wigan’s.

Also - makes me chuckle that some saints fans have spent the last couple of months whinging that some Wigan fans didn’t give credit for our WCC win and have since spent their time discrediting Wigan’s WCC win. Go figure.

Any win against any NRL team is something to be applauded given how the chips are stacked. And besides, the reaction of a load of Australians who can’t handle their best ever club team losing back to back to teams with vastly smaller budgets in a vastly inferior league is funny.

They have been telling everyone that this is one of the best ever NRL teams, yet they have been beaten by Saints and Wigan, it is something that should be celebrated.

To be fair, the Danny Maguire knock on to win the Challenge Cup ended that as a concept and Welsby obstructing French for the winning try in the Covid Grand Final ended that so they're probably right. And it goes without saying that the World Cup itself is no more because of the Ryan Hall "no try" that the Aussies, themselves, benefitted from

Spot on mate.

On the "controversy", there's a picture on this very thread that shows Wardle gets the ball to the line so all the whinging about being short is utter garbage. His other elbow is clearly on the whitewash and both Penrith defenders hands are on the ball and clearly 6 inches or so over the line too. Apparently, though, it was that short he'd have needed an Uber to get to the line!



On sending the Penrith effort at the end as "no try" he is picked up on the ref's mic saying he saw Field's hand under the ball. What's he supposed to do? Ignore what he saw just to please the Aussies?

Both calls were correct and the whinging Aussies (and more pathetically certain opposition fans) are doing what they do best: being sore losers. As you quite rightly point out, the hypocrisy isn't lost.

Two losses to the poms on the bounce for Australia's greatest side. Feels good, doesn't it!

Fair play to you FTV,I popped on to redvee to see the love for another SL side getting the better of a great Aussie side but alas it wasnt to be (as expected).But you tried to have a balanced and honest opinion pal but some just could only insult,so once again cheers for that.

Are you saying he didn't ground it because you're the only person in the world who is saying that if you are?

The conversation is around being short or double movement. If you accept he's over the line (it's hard to argue otherwise given that pic) then it's whether you feel it was a double movement or not which is a 50/50 at best.

I'm not sure what your objection is here other than Wigan won and you wanted them to lose.

On a separate note, as I've posted elsewhere, the team with the greater flair, invention, execution and will to win got the result. Isn't that what's sport is supposed to be about?

A true Brit.

The only wording of that I'd disagree with is them (Penrith) whining about the calls. Maybe some of their fans are but their players and coach were extremely gracious and showed plenty of class. I've seen just Brian To'o from Penrith come out with some religious stuff about God not liking people lying or something like that but you can't win them all.

In terms of the Wigan and Saints stuff, it's to be expected. We're massive rivals and lets face it, we're the only two sides who look capable of consistently stopping the other winning trophies at the minute, so you're going to get it. I'm not really fussed whose win was better, they were both exceptional in different ways (fwiw the fact Saints were away ranks it higher IMO) and while I know Penrith were not at their best in either, they should still win the games as you say and it's a credit to how well Wigan and St Helens run their clubs that they've been able to beat them. Neither sides win makes them the best team in the World IMO but it just gives a huge sense of pride and it feels great to ram it down a few Aussie throats. They can continue disrespecting us all they want for me.

Saw a post yesterday stating the NRL cap is A$12m and the SL Cap is A$4m per season.

To compare it would be like Batley beating Saints one year and then Wigan the year after in the Regal Trophy final if we played it now.

I don’t think that’s true. The Aussie teams have all the power really, not the organisers or sponsors. If they don’t wanna play they won’t play, they didn’t play in 2021 or 2022 and they even forced the game to postpone its World Cup because they didn’t wanna travel. There’s every chance they’ll just say nah next year, and not just because of Saturday but SL rules next year are going to be so radically different from NRL rules that there probably won’t be much point in playing it.

That said congratulations for Saturday, whatever we think about the calls it was an incredibly gutsy performance and a really fun game to watch. I wouldn’t be d what oppo fans are saying, we’ve had people whinging about every win we’ve had for the last 5 years. Rugby league fans in this country are the absolute worst when it comes to stuff like that.

Should be a good title race this year. From what I’ve seen so far I think you and us are a clear cut above the rest, but as for who will win when we come face to face, I genuinely have no idea. Good Friday should be a cracker