Yes, it seems we are now getting somewhere with you as well.

Most clubs in the early 90's had a 'very' large amount of players that used RL as a living (£250-500 per week). Or did you think that players around the same like Phil Veivers, Alan Hunte, Tea Ropati, Paul Loughlin, Jonathan Griffiths, Paul Bishop, Bernard Dwyer, Kevin Ward, George Mann, Shane Cooper stood on the dole queue every Thursday collecting their giro.


I will say this again....Leeds RLFC went 100% full time professional just before Wigan RLFC did.

Even now the sport is 'fair and even' Saints still can't win anything




Oh this guy must be hurting.

I have never once claimed you were the first professional club.

Do you understand where scousers come from?

Come on mate that's a stupid comment, you're making yourself look silly. We are the most successful club of the modern era.

Saints fans going on about their short history. How many years is it since you won a major trophy? Saints & Bulls are yesterday's news.

It's all about Wigan, Wire & Leeds these days baby!!

Petty personal insults, I thought you were better than that. I suspect I am far more intelligent than the majority in here. That isn't me being arrogant, it's an educated guess based on the law of averages.

Yes you did.

It's about those clubs for the last couple of years I admit. But you still have a fair way to go to catch us in terms if success in the Super League era.

If you are intelligent, you're doing a damn fine job in hiding it. If you are intelligent, then please say or do something intelligent to prove it. Thus far on this thread all you have done is back yourself into a corner and contradict yourself, and ignore comments that prove you are wrong.

Everyone is obviously a figure of speech referring to 99% of other clubs. And you question my intelligence....

Wigan didn't break any competition rules.
The results of matches played stand.
The years that trophies were won and still being won are in the history books.
That's apart from last Saturday's win in which Wigan are still writing RL history.

I don't need to justify or prove my intelligence to you. What I will say is that when someone has to stoop to the depths of petty insults and questioning intelligence levels, it would appear that they are in fact the ones that seem to be struggling.

No, everyone means everyone. If you meant the majority, say the majority. You said Wigan were the first professional club, you have since been proved wrong, and are trying to say you didn't. Have a day off sunshine.

Modern era?

5 final losses in a row.

Not won anything in 6 years.

The last time you did win anything was the same year you broke the salary cap (Fair and even indeed...)

But, as we've already discovered, facts are not your best friends.

Wigan weren't full time pros as such in the early 90s and I guess neither were Leeds or Saints. What the Wigan club demanded was that they had first call on their services at all times, although in practice they probably wouldn't be at the club any more than a couple of hours a day. Hence you had the likes of Botica and Andy Platt helping out with friends' or relatives' businesses in their spare time. The difference was that the Wigan players were professional in their attitude, whereas the Saints players would hang around their town centre messing around and sadly some of their players didn't fulfill their potential.

You brought the level of intelligence into this debate, not me.

I have never said Wigan were the first professional club. This is getting tedious.

It is 5 years since we won something. What was that about facts?

Really? I suggest you go back and read the thread, paying particular attention to your comment with regards to the size of my brain.

Typo

Haha. I have to get the counter-punches in when I can.

Don't make me have to quote you again. It is getting tedious, but the fact is, I only have to put up with you until I get bored with this and move on, you have to live with being you for the rest of your life, scary thought.

And yes I brought the size of your brain into the debate, the size of ones brain does not constitute the size of ones intelligent. For example, a Chimp is far more intelligent than an Elephant, and has a significantly smaller brain. Do try and keep up.

Haha. That's actually a very good attempt at wriggling out of the fact that you, albeit indirectly, brought intelligence into it. Great effort.

Based on your contribution on here generally and this thread specifically, it's hard to describe that as an insult - a very big compliment is closer to the mark.

To save The Yellow Giraffe further embarrassment I think it safe to say this thread has run its course.

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