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| Keep scrums and the 6 again, but apply the rules as in the NRL, so scrums can be placed in the middle of the field. This opens up attacking options, as we have seen, and has rescued a moribund concept from the scrap-bin in my opinion.
Either way, a difference in rules between comps is so Mickey Mouse.
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| It partly depends what you see the point in scrums is. If it's about a 7 on 7 play then I agree it's relatively rare you see a team try any thing from it (e.g Saints scored a try from a nifty scrum move in the Grand Final last year). For me it's more to do with giving both packs a brief rest.
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| Scrums for knock ons, 6 again for ruck infringements and penalties for offsides, high shots and fowl play.
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| It's been less rare in the NRL with the latest rules tweaks. But actually I'm not opposed to the 'giving the players a rest' argument, and I think a dead-set insistence on speeding the game up in every way possible does not lead to the best contests. The game is already quick in that respect compared to RU and its endless stoppages.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Bring back scrums for me once it's deemed to be an acceptable risk in terms of COVID. By introducing '6 again', continuing to reduce the number of interchanges and removing scrums, I think there is a real danger that we create too high a focus on stamina. Already we have backs taking on work that used to be done by props, and more teams grubbering into touch at the end of sets for a short breather. Teams are scared of the extra fatigue caused by losing the ball so they play more conservatively now than ever before.
I want there still to be a place for big guys and expansive rugby, if we keep removing these rests we are going to see less and less of that IMO, which is less entertaining and shuts the door on many players we would enjoy watching.'"
Agree with all of that except the interchanges part Grimmy
I would add that in time all players could become the same size and shape.No room for small guys or really big guys. The Aussies would lead the way with 6 foot 3 inch 15 and a half stone players across the park. Aussies invariably go for brawn above everything else
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Agree with all of that except the interchanges part Grimmy
I would add that in time all players could become the same size and shape.No room for small guys or really big guys. The Aussies would lead the way with 6 foot 3 inch 15 and a half stone players across the park. Aussies invariably go for brawn above everything else'"
I'm not saying they're all bad moves, I'm in favour of six again for example. But doing them all could completely push out the big guys which would be bad from an entertainment perspective IMO, as well as pushing some players out of the game.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I'm not saying they're all bad moves, I'm in favour of six again for example. But doing them all could completely push out the big guys which would be bad from an entertainment perspective IMO, as well as pushing some players out of the game.'"
I like the 6 again but would like to see more yellow cards for repeat indiscretions
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| Rugby without scrums is not Rugby!
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| I like the NRL method and some good tries have been scored from scrums this season
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"Rugby without scrums is not Rugby!'"
We haven't had scrums in rugby league for forty years.
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| If there are scrums in the World Cup next year, will we be at a disadvantage not having had scrums in the domestic game for over 12 months?
Keep the six again rule, but re-introduce scrums as soon as deemed safe to do so.
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| Quote ="moto748"It's been less rare in the NRL with the latest rules tweaks. But actually I'm not opposed to the 'giving the players a rest' argument, and I think a dead-set insistence on speeding the game up in every way possible does not lead to the best contests. The game is already quick in that respect compared to RU and its endless stoppages.'"
The boss of the NRL has indicated he wants the rules for packing the scrums tightened up for 2021 as he believes they are currently a mess.
Will be looked at when the rules committee meet next which I think is later this month.
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| Quote ="moto748"It's been less rare in the NRL with the latest rules tweaks. But actually I'm not opposed to the 'giving the players a rest' argument, and I think a dead-set insistence on speeding the game up in every way possible does not lead to the best contests. The game is already quick in that respect compared to RU and its endless stoppages.'"
I agree entirely, now too much emphasis on speed at the expense of individual skill.
Without any form of scrums, we might as well has well have a team of players who are all the same size like they are in American Football.
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"I agree entirely, now too much emphasis on speed at the expense of individual skill.
Without any form of scrums, [uwe might as well has well have a team of players who are all the same size[/u like they are in American Football.'"
thats basically what we have now
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"
Without any form of scrums, we might as well has well have a team of players who are all the same size like they are in American Football.'"
Haha are you being serious?
How the hell are American footballers all the same size? You've got massive defensive players likes Suh, Clarke, Reader etc all 22 + stone. Your top running backs are like 16 stone and a real mixture of heights.
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"I agree entirely, now too much emphasis on speed at the expense of individual skill.
Without any form of scrums, we might as well has well have a team of players who are all the same size like they are in American Football.'"
What? Even by your usual standards that's a daft comment. NFL players vary in size WAY more than rugby players of either code. Here's two players on the same team (LA Raiders):
OT Trent Brown - height 6'8, weight 25.5 St
CB Lamarcus Joyner - height 5'8, weight 13 St
One big Sunday dinner and Brown would literally be twice the size of his teammate.
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| I think since they got rid of contested scrums , scrums have been rather pointless. However, to rid the game of scrums entirely would affect the game in a radical manner, and not just the role of 'the packs' . The whole structure of a team, and the game, would also be changed if that were to happen . Personally, I would like to go back to contested scrums, but I don't think the governing bodies would consider that. 'Elf&Safety' would also do their nuts.
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| Quote ="fleabag"I think since they got rid of contested scrums , scrums have been rather pointless. However, to rid the game of scrums entirely would affect the game in a radical manner, and not just the role of 'the packs' . The whole structure of a team, and the game, would also be changed if that were to happen . Personally, I would like to go back to contested scrums, but I don't think the governing bodies would consider that. 'Elf&Safety' would also do their nuts.'"
You may be interested to learn we haven't had scrums most of the season.
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| Quote ="fleabag"I think since they got rid of contested scrums , scrums have been rather pointless. However, to rid the game of scrums entirely would affect the game in a radical manner, and not just the role of 'the packs' . The whole structure of a team, and the game, would also be changed if that were to happen . Personally, I would like to go back to contested scrums, but I don't think the governing bodies would consider that. 'Elf&Safety' would also do their nuts.'"
Unless the put some sort of claus in the rule book
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"Unless they put some sort of claus in the rule book'"
It could be called the Santa Claus.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry!
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| Quote ="fleabag"I think since they got rid of contested scrums , scrums have been rather pointless. However, to rid the game of scrums entirely would affect the game in a radical manner, and not just the role of 'the packs' . The whole structure of a team, and the game, would also be changed if that were to happen . Personally, I would like to go back to contested scrums, but I don't think the governing bodies would consider that. 'Elf&Safety' would also do their nuts.'"
Well put, but of course in reply, we get the usual swiping at others and lack of proper debate on a topic about what is a fundamental part of rugby, be it League or Union.
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| I'd get rid. Imagine if you had never seen scrums before and introduced them into the game we watched this year. We would all be up in arms at how pointless they are.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I'd get rid. Imagine if you had never seen scrums before and introduced them into the game we watched this year. We would all be up in arms at how pointless they are.'"
I definitely think something should be done rather than simply go back to the way scrums have been performed since the Eighties (thirty seconds rest for the forwards with the ball fed through the legs of a 2nd Rower).
Either get rid and keep as we are now.
Or.... go back to contested scrums where hookers 'hook' and possession becomes more of a lottery. If you watch the Wigan v Hull FC Cup final at least a couple of scrums went against 'head and feed' and it was all part of the game.
Today's scrums are an embarrassment.
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| Quote ="MattyB"I definitely think something should be done rather than simply go back to the way scrums have been performed since the Eighties (thirty seconds rest for the forwards with the ball fed through the legs of a 2nd Rower).
Either get rid and keep as we are now.
Or.... go back to contested scrums where hookers 'hook' and possession becomes more of a lottery. If you watch the Wigan v Hull FC Cup final at least a couple of scrums went against 'head and feed' and it was all part of the game.
Today's scrums are an embarrassment.'"
But RU scrums are even more of an embarrassment. They are literally ruining the game & I'm an avid RU fan.
Modern RL is a world away from the 85 cup final. Teams might have used it as an on/off tactic back then, but the way the game is now it will mean it becomes another well drilled aspect of the game, like the tackle area has become.
If we introduced scrums then all teams would need proper front rows, or there'd be some serious injuries occurring. Make no mistake, an RU front row would absolutely destroy any RL front row at the scrum - there's no half measures when it comes to this.
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| Bringing back competitive scrums is my least favourite option. Yes I'm sure there is lots of skill involved but for the average spectator it is bloody boring. Especially in today's day and age where I imagine the referee would be called upon to continually reset scrums or give penalties as the players fall over, wheel around etc.
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