I like the fact he coaches the backs as they play so well at Melbourne and then leave Wane to sort out the forwards!

I was just about to post exactly the same thing.

its not going be that hard to coach slater, inglis, cronk, finch, chambers etc
compared to are back line though is it come on think about. Also there pack is outstanding as well. He might improve us a bit but still wont be really strong until we get some new signings

we do not have 1 world class player in our squad how can we challnge?

By those same Australian names that have been mentioned, i'd argue that potentially nobody in super league has any 'world class' players currently.

Great minds think alike!

Or equally stupid ones!

Errrr.... great minds yeah!

If it is to be McGuire then things will change.
He will recruit his own backroom staff I would imagine and as he's been an asst coach as well as strength & cond coach then he will be able to have both an in depth view of all aspects as well as being able to introduce his overall plan.
New coaches aften bring players with them as Noble brought Flanagan, Withers and Fielden. McGuire may well bring a quality player here.
We now have a large squad with many younger players. He will see that we need to recruit senior players to bring the experience we need and guide the youngers both on and off the field.
I don't expect more than two signings but I'm sure he will change the style of rugby we play.

Spot on, so why get rid of Nobby? 2 semi-finals this year is overachieving.

Obviously because hes not a yes man as he pointed out he and IL have different views on certain things.

I would expect Noble was on a decent wage as well and going off IL's liking of 'value' then i suspect the new coach may come cheaper.

I think the problem we have set ourselves now is that we have set a benchmark that reaching semi-finals isn't good enough. So what happens if we reach the semi finals and lose again? Do we start sacking our coaches on a yearly basis? Hopefully the new boss, barring us being awful from start to finish, will be given time.

I just hope people don't get their hopes up too much because without a couple of additions to the squad I don't think we'll be winning any trophies next year.

If IL appoints Shaun Wane, you could be right - chepness is the chief motivator. If however IL appoints an Aussie, who's left the NRL to come over here, and has uprooted his family as well, your view will have been exposed as nonsensical. Again.

As has been said Bailey & Carmont's contracts should be reviewed.

Bailey should be released, and depending how his body will hold up, Carmont should maybe go the same way - now before I get flamed, if we are to ever make ago of Pryce or Goulding, now needs to be the time, and given George's age and the fact he is falling apart, perhaps we need to release him. That being said, I would be happy with a year.

McGuire in - Wane Assistant.

That would mean we need to appoint a new reserve coach & potentially a conditioner depending if McGuire see's value in Forshaw or indeed if he goes with Noble.

Lyon, Rads & Pendelbury you would assume would remain in their current roles.

Then we really need to make a decision about players, we need cover at half to enable Gleeson/Locky to remain in their proper positions, unless the reserve 7 is likely to be able to step up next year - Rogues thoughts??

I would really like us to sign a prop and loan O'Carroll out for the season, maybe send him to Celtic to work with Noble?

Following that, id like to see a pre-season that didn't involve a holiday island, Rivington is still a big hill isn't it?



I wish Noble was still head coach & I also don't believe he was treated properly, but its not going to happen, so its time to back the new coach as far as the playing side goes.

I really hope we aren't disapointed on Wednesday.

No wonder Lenagan wanted him, he's probably got a list of 27 wingers and 21 centres for McGuire to look through and decide which to sign



He's give him £15 to sign a prop forward.

S.



In fairness, Roberts on a 4yr contract, which defy's all precident (Sam aside) from IL in contract deals still puzzles me to this day.

You can't possibly get rid of Carmont the guy is giving his all for us every week and was our best player for the first 20mins on Friday.

George Carmont has played on through injury for many a game and really deserves a new deal for sure I will be really peeved if he doesn't as Pryce/Goulding are good enough to lace his boots.

One more year for George and see how Goulding and Pryce go and next year if none of them are good enough to make it then sign Matt Cooper/top aussie.

I agree he should get a year, but will he take it given he wants 2. I hope he does get one, but I hope he is fit enough to last a year, at some point all those injuries will catch up with him.

Carmont is worth a years deal with a years mututal option imo but if he isn't willing to accept that and is demanding 2 years or nothing we may be forced into calling his bluff.

I really hope things work out between the club(Lenagan) and Carmont. To lose him from a squad that doesn't look like being added to would be a huge blow.

Spot on, he's been so awesome for us through injury that I really do believe that with a rest in the off season he's got one last quality season in him. By then we'll know for sure whether Pryce and Goulding are ever going to step up too.

Id happily get shut of em both.
Pryce is the biggest waste of space we've had in years and Goulding is simply not superleague standard Im afraid. He isnt big enough, cant pass and he cant tackle

Goulding will be a decent squad player on a solely cover basis.

As for Pryce you just can't coach people into growing a pair of boll*cks or a heart so on that basis i'd be happy enough to show him the door.

Well they're both off contract at the end of next season so it'll definitely be last chance saloon, and as you say I can't see either getting a new contract from what I've seen.

I like Goulding for his passion but I don't think he has the skill for a top super league centre. He made his debut in '05, surely would have a regular spot by now if he was good enough. Pryce has had a poor season in the first team with the odd flash of talent but a very good year in the reserves by all accounts. Now the fans are on his back so it's going to be hard for him, but I still hold out more hope for him than Goulding to be honest, because he does have potential, he just needs to apply it.

Having said that the very obvious opportunity for a 2011 first team shirt will be up for grabs all season so maybe they will compete for it and we might see one emerge as Carmont's successor, or they might carry on where they left off and both would be sent packing, leaving us with a new signing and Thornley as cover.

I mean purely if we set the bar of world class as players like Inglis, Slater, Hayne etc then I really don't believe we have anybody in SL even close to that level of ability.

Harsh i know, but just my opinion.

Having read the quotes form the pair of them I get the impression the biggest disagreement is they disagree on what this and previous seasons performances amount to. Nobby thinks its OK whereas IL sees the five semi final losses as not.



Well there is no salary cap for a coach but every time a contract for a player has been renegotiated this season the fans have assumed the likes of TL and Coley will have been re-signed on less than the money Mo agreed to pay them and this would be a good thing.

Many support the view IL should run the club as a business so only getting the coach we can afford would fit in with that.

Not a position I agree with but if he does that with the coach as well as the players, it's his decision to run the club like that and running it that way is how he will be judged.

Dave