Arrogance is inherited through success.

You seem to have really big chip on your shoulder regarding Wigan. I can fully understand why, but can you just be a malcontent in the company of all the other malcontents that 'hate' Wigan and let us carry on with our merry lives?

Yes Poore is really soft that's why it was Farrell sat on his .

Wigan aren't bad for high shots? Ok if you say so. Watch a replay of Sundays game and you will see your players doing plenty of them. I'm pretty sure a couple of the attempts Mellars went through to score were round the neck

I am just bathing in all this bitterness... Made my day...

2006 we were as bad as each other, and oh look, you are in just the same "Oh the big boy bullied me again" mode... And i have some news, just because you support a rubbish team/club does not make you as better fan.. You support the club from were you come from, we do the same... We have just been luckier.

You also had a lot of money pumped into the club and a modern stadium to play out of.

Any reasonable person would accept that we were a basket case under the old board and therefore since the new owners took over the following would be positive signs of moving in the right direction in a relatively short space of time:-

- Not finishing bottom first season after admin with a team put together on the lowest budget of all SL teams

- Improving the ground as we told the RL we would

- A dramatic increase in our average attendances

- A vast improvement in the playing squad over the last season or so

- An extremely well respected scholarship programme

- Reaching the play-offs last season

- Progress towards a new ground (slow due to circumstances outside of the clubs control, but progress none the less)

Our new owners have a medium to long term plan to get us where we need to be. Unfortunately, without an extremely wealthy benefactor, these things cannot be done overnight, and laying solid foundations for the club to be self-sufficient is the right way for the club to go.

Ask any Wakey fan and they will tell you there is still a long way to go to get to where we should and need to be, but we are heading in the right direction.

Fish... shooting... barrel...

My original posts were aimed at pointing out that both teams were guilty of head high shots and messing around at the play the ball on Sunday, given some very blinkered comments from some of the Wigan posters on this topic. This then descended into belittling the Wakefield club in a smug and arrogant manner (which unfortunately is a trait that too many of your fans seem to revel in). I merely tried to redress the balance by pointing out that your not as great as some of you seem to think you are.

As for fans, I would hazard a guess that a fair percentage of your fan base have never known the bad times, and a bit like Bradford, were you to have a sustained period of finishing outside the top 8, these people would drift away. Contrast that with us, where other than the odd appearance in the playoffs, we have spent more time struggling at the wrong end of the league, and I am sure you would agree it is more difficult to follow and stick with a team like us then to follow Wigan

No doubt someone will come back with the fact our attendances went up during our near-relegation season, but I agree with most of your points. We definitely do have bandwagoners who only started watching us three years ago or thereabouts. They leave early/start booing if we don't win and often don't turn up to the smaller games. If Wigan went as bad as Wakey I'd carry on watching us, but if we were that bad before I started watching, I can't say for sure whether I'd have started watching in the first place.

I thought this would dissolve from his game as he matured, but it's getting worse. He's embarrassing and I'm not even a Wigan fan.

Re: the salary cap creating a level playing field.

It hasn't. All clubs do not spend the same amount regardless of a 'cap' - some spend a lot, some don't - same as in the 80s/90s (when Wigan weren't the only big spenders).

ATEOTD, the Grand Final will be won by either Leeds, Wigan or Saints and maybe the Wolfs if Dad's Army doesn't run out of steam.

A reasonable post - only took till page 7.

I have been watching Wakey for 30 years, the only silverware won in that time being the Yorkshire Cup and the Northern Ford (or whatever it was called at the time) Grand Final. As you can imagine in that period I have seen some shocking performances, witnessed the club at times lurch from one crisis to another, yet I still go watch every home game (even though I don't live in Wakey and have to catch three trains to get there and another three to get back home afterwards).

I would love Wakey to get to be a regular competitor at the top of the table, but would hope if we ever got there, I would act with more humility to those fans of the less fortunate clubs, than some of the Wigan fans posting on here can bring themselves to do.

Yep, this is why everyone hates Wigan!

You don't say.

Yes, some of the Wigan fans posting on here don't have humility or respect for other clubs, but are you saying it's only Wigan that has that issue? Realistically, ALL clubs will have a percentage of nobheads, who may be vociferous, but not sharing a majority view. You are always going to be up against it, coming on a forum and insulting people, so although I respect your faith in your own club, I feel you are going to struggle to generate much empathy here.

As I have already stated, my initial posts insulted no one but sought to offer a view that Wakefield were not the only team on Sunday employing spoiling tactics. In fact other than to call one person clueless in response to a post that was worthy of the description, I have insulted no one, despite there being numerous posts of an arrogant and condescending nature, most of which were not actively offering any worthwhile counter argument to what I said.

Of course all clubs have a percentage of idiots, but they don't seem to have this inbuilt superiority complex that a number of your fans seem to have

Has it occurred to you that we may like to perpetuate and pander to peoples beliefs?

Sarcasm alert, sarcasm alert. He missed the chuffing sarcasm!

Who says they're thick in Wakey?

Not wishing to appear harsh, Tricky but if I were you I'd be much more concerned with what the people of Wakey think about your team than Wigan fans. Out of a population of 315,000 in the city of Wakefield only about 150 people bothered to turn out at the weekend. For a one sport and one club town that is woeful. It's the failure of so called heartland clubs like Wakey that is really holding back SL.

Look tricky i have to agree with Deano G you brought a pathetic following to our ground so you are in no position to criticise our fans, but whilst on the subject matter on previous trips to your ground i can honeslty say your fans are the worst kind ive ever come across, horendous language!!!!!! i once witnessed a full 80 minutes of vile abuse directed towards the officials (Whats that all about it's supposed to be a family game is that how you want to mentor your kids?????) and then your very own so called professional coaches etc.. began to chase them off the field at the final whistle, it's takes a brave wiganer to say this but your fans are worse than St Helens and Warringotns put together. Maybe you should start a football team in Wakey and scrap the Rugby, your fans would be more at home watching footy.

Isn't that the past also, Tricky? Please try not to contradict yourself with your own posts!

How far back are we allowed to talk about when we talk about the past?

Just a note - the 315k population is for the actual Wakefield district - including Wakefield,Cas & Featherstone.
Wakefield city population is circa 75k

This is also the team that's forever near the bottom of the table but has had for a season and a half an average of 8,100, not a bad average!

Just would like to mention that while your team was giving us a pasting at our ground last year one of our fans decided to pick on one of your fans and was ready to assault him. I stepped in and got the fan kicked out and stuck up for little Wigan fan so please don't stereotype all Wakefield fans. Some of us are genuine fans of the game and like the harmless banter but even if some of our own fans step over the mark I believe there are plenty that would do the same.

We all know not all fans are the same. I've been to Wakey quite a few times, and found the fans to be very knowledgeable, and passionate. Now, we all have our idiots, it wasn't a month ago that we had 3 guys banned from the ground for fighting within themselves. So we, as a club, are far from whiter than white.

I saw the sending off for the first time yesterday, I have to say as a boxing fan it's the best punch I've seen on RL pitch since Mason's on Fielden

Farrell went down like a sack of 5hit.

I doubt you would know what difficult times was in Wigan, unless of course the government has reduced unemployment and disability benefits' try giving the wife a few more bob or get a job, your attendances' would not be increasing then