Mick Cassidy

He wore a skull cap, big jesse

Hmmm. According to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_DrummondWikipedia[/url and other sources it wasn't karate at all, but judo, and he was British Amateur Judo Champion - and I know he took some judo/wrestling sessions at Rochdale last year. The karate legend seems to be nothing more than an urban myth.

I'm not saying he wasn't a remarkable athlete and person, and a tough cookie, but let's try and inject a bit of truth into the hype surrounding Drummond's invincibility.

It was a cracker...!! Better than your old "Arms back/John Wayne style punches" you see too much of these days. haha

Tallis

Quote ="Mr.No.It.All"Tallis'" Quote The Wigan and Great Britain prop was involved in a fist-fight in Brisbane that came close to matching the notoriety of Holyfield-Tyson and Lewis- Akinwande. More solid punches were landed than in either of those bouts, most of them around O'Connor's head by the Brisbane Broncos' Gorden Tallis. =#800000"I didn't do too badly with the couple I got in," O'Connor says. "=#800000Broke his nose."'" Quote =#800000And O'Connor, who claimed after their bout in Brisbane that his wife hits harder than Tallis, has promised to follow his coach's advice when the two men come face to face again tonight.'" www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 51648.html

Quote ="Mr.No.It.All"Tallis'" Quote The Wigan and Great Britain prop was involved in a fist-fight in Brisbane that came close to matching the notoriety of Holyfield-Tyson and Lewis- Akinwande. More solid punches were landed than in either of those bouts, most of them around O'Connor's head by the Brisbane Broncos' Gorden Tallis. =#800000"I didn't do too badly with the couple I got in," O'Connor says. "=#800000Broke his nose."'" Quote =#800000And O'Connor, who claimed after their bout in Brisbane that his wife hits harder than Tallis, has promised to follow his coach's advice when the two men come face to face again tonight.'" www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 51648.html

Quote ="MattyB"icon_mrgreen.gif www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 51648.html'" Still though, looks as though he eats bricks for breakfast. He destroyed O'Connor

Quote ="MattyB"icon_mrgreen.gif www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugb ... 51648.html'" Still though, looks as though he eats bricks for breakfast. He destroyed O'Connor

Yet came off worse.

...and in my opinion, he carried out the most cowardly act I have ever seen on a rugby pitch! Deliberately running in full steam to elbow Morley square on the jaw as he was being held up by his Wigan team-mates.

Really? Despite watching Sonny Nickle weekly?

Yep, really!!
Sonny Nickle was no angel, but I have never seen him do anything as cowardly as that.

Ballcocks. Nickle went in with elbows, fists, knees every week. He just wasn't skilful enough to connect properly, whereas our Mick (looking for a bit of retribution after a cheap smash on Robbie McCormack) managed it first time. Not nice, but don't pretend your lot didn't go in for nasty stuff - like Fogerty and his headbutt for example.


Watch the video. Tallis looks good and lands a few by throwing them first, but when Terry connects he splats Gordon's nose all over Brisbane. When they go off Terry is just pssed off, but Tallis has to go down on his haunches holding his streaming nose, having been smacked good n' proper.

So bust nose = loss?

Tallis easily won that one. Not saying O Connor is soft, hes not, but only a wigan fan would claim he got the better of Tallis

Watch it on YouTube. Morley runs at him. No one is 'holding him up'. Not condoning it but it was retribution for morley's cheap shot on McCormack.

I'm a Saints fan. I'd say the it was pretty even and Tallis came off much worse for it.

There's a video on you tube interveiwing Tallis about it, who speaks about it in very good humour. Apparently O'Connor had been sledging the brisbane players and Tallis decided to do something about it - "it didn't go as well as I'd hoped" were along the words he used.

If I remember rightly O'Connor is off balance and Tallis attacks first. O'Connor does well to stay on his feet and lands good shots of his own. Probably a draw but Tallis started it and O'Connor more than held his own.

you mean like Belfort exd UFC champ?...you are clueles

If I was in a ruck on the field (yes, been in a few in my time) and starting swinging first - thus giving myself 3+ clean unopposed shots - and at the end I'm down on my haunches looking battered as hell with a bust nose streaming with blood and my opponent is standing on the sidelines looking pretty fresh and shouting at one of the coaches, who is telling him off for being binned, then yes I'd consider that a loss.

Even Tallis, when interviewed (it's on youtube), admits 'I wanted to teach this guy a lesson', and that 'I didn't, he got just as many on me as I got on him', and talks about how tough Terry is.

Landing the most punches does not equal doing the most damage.

i remember the game at jjb as it was then, Renouf was getting his head took off almost every tackle and in that game someone punched Tez (not sure if it was Toa or nikau) clean in the face all i remember is Tez not even bothering to throw back and just smiling back. Although he did fight in that same game.

Thank you. Someone else who thinks the same.

St Helens supporters hold him in such high regard, yet berate Sean O'Loughlin for so-called being a headhunter.

His off the ball tackle on Kevin Brown in the 2004 Challenge Cup Final at Cardiff being a prime example.

I second that. Des Drummond could be an absolute nutter at times. Whereas wingers would take an easy ball in to gain field position when returning a kick, Des would run full blast and use his head, rather than his shoulder, to drive the ball in. He was very fast as well, which no doubt added substantially to the impact.

Shaun Wane mentioned this on the Cherry & White memories DVD, but I actually remember this happening at the time - Joe Lydon was returning a kick in the 1987 Premiership Final, when Des Drummond absolutely poleaxed Lydon with one of the hardest tackles I've ever seen in my life. Lydon ended up on his back and the ball flew out of his grasp and into touch.

Gordon Tallis

He's just a cheap shot merchant, he got knocked into next week by Sculthorpe and Radford gave him a good lesson last season too (alright Bailey was on the floor for the second one but you didn't see him trying to retaliate until all his team mates got in the way)

Bailey is just a hous3. Nothing more nothing less