Briers won that game, it wasn't Nobles substitutions that lost it.

If we are domintating a side then give the other 2 props extra 5-10 minutes. As i see it now Coley and Prescott are our best props and that says a lot about the demise of Fielden and the lack of game time of Feka.

Again seems like not everybody saw the game the same way, I thought we were far from dominating at that point.

Yep, we were on the back foot after a good start.

Fielden and Feka were supposed to see us kick on in our go forward, the fact they both turned in cowardly displays is the issue, not when they were brought on.

Feka is a disgrace as is Mike Forshaw, as for Fielden, at one point mid "drive" he turned and passed it to Tomkins rather than taking the hit, he should just retire.

i think fielden is well well past it.. morley hit him hard and after that he may as well have given up.... we have the likes of cooper coming off the bench... young, hungry and full of it.... something your forwards bench didnt have...

Fielden should just retire.

I take it you were on the pitch and party to the move called or players calls during the incident.

What number did you have on your back.

The real issue is Feka.......He lasted 10 mins in his 1st spell and didn't touch the ball........a waste of salary cap, and although he does make the odd rampaging run now and again, it simply isn't enough.......Fielden, I assume is played for the comedy value alone

Behave.

Fielden is a chicken and that move proved it.

And Fielden not in mine either

It only goes to show you don't understand what goes on on a field.

So come on what was called?

Fielden in taking in a bog standard drive, stops, lobs it at Sam, who gets crunched. Fielden walks off with his head bowed. Explain to me how that isnt an example of someone who has no bottle and isnt interested?

Explain to me how you know that the call wasn't take it up Fielden, Tomkins comes in on your shoulder.

How do you know that Fielden didn't get a call from Tomkins 'my ball Stuart' and Fielden responded.

Now who were you playing for Wigan or Wire, it must be one since you seem to have been so close to play as to know what was called on the field.

Im sorry Stuart, dont you like the fact you had yet another horrid game in a Wigan shirt.

AJ he's quite right though, you have no clue at all if the ball was called.

No I dont, but all things being equal im right, Fielden bottled a big hit after Morley had drilled him a few moments before.

In a planned move with a player like Sam on the shoulder of a prop the prop would need to draw a tackle from each (or most) of the crowd of defenders he was running into and would offload to the supporting man who could then go into the gap that was created.

Fielden stopped before meeting one man, turned and threw it to a lad who weighs a lot less than him knowing that the smaller player had to hit a group of three defenders.

If Sam called for a pass Fielden should be experienced enough to know that he needs to create a gap to give Sam any chance of breaking the line in this situation.

If that was an example from Wigan's book of set moves then we desperately need a new play book.

If Sam called the ball when there was no move on then it his him that is at fault not Fielden for giving it, he doesn't know what Sam has seen, he responds to Sams knowledge and experience, which if your scenario is correct isn't enouogh for this type of game. Maybe therefore Tomkins shouldn't have been on the field.

Now it becomes clear what you are up to. Nice try.

I don't think anybody is upto anything AJ, other than trying to suggest it's not always black and white and cut and dried

Correct, this is no trolling, my Wigan credentials are as good as anyones.

Its easy to blast a player, however if you don't know the full story you could be way off the mark.

So what is the full story oh wise one? Other than some late night trolling re Sam?

There isn't a 'full story', Sam could have been Tommy, Pat or Piggy it just happened you used an example where Sam the most inexperienced player ws involved.

Supporters get too wound up on individuals, its a team game and sometimes the team as a whole under performs, sometimes individuals do under perform but when that happens if the team plays well they can carry him. However one thing you are never sure of standing (sitting these days) on the terraces is what the players are told to do and trying to do and who calls what,