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| Quote ="Jukesays"100% spot on
He hasn't said any such thing, certain people opinions of Peet will have changed due to results that's all.'"
It’s to be expected I suppose. He talked constantly at the start of last year about the same things but he only had the Challenge cup in his possession then. He even said the same things once the cup had gone and we had nothing left and he says the same things now when he has 3 of the 4 trophies at the training ground. His manner is exemplary and Stu might well be the first person I’ve seen question it tbh. Even a huge Saints troll on Twitter said he was pleased for Peet last night.
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| Least when we loose the next two weeks we can blame jet lag
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| Quote ="Stu M"Well I’m not spending all night fighting a losing battle but at least you can’t accuse me of going missing now even if you don’t like what I say.
I was never going to come on last night with emotions running high.'"
Honestly, deep down what response did you expect? I’ve not seen a single post on this forum from any other opposition fan that didn’t offer some sort of well done. It may not be intended and you normally come across as a reasoned sensible poster but recently you are coming across as bitter and jealous.
I don’t care who thinks what achievement is better. Any win over an Australian side is worth bragging about. RL is the number 1 sport down there, they have a bigger talent pool and significantly more funds.
The Wardle try - 100% the ball touched the line, it would be very easy to take a clip or a still to suit an agenda. The real debate is whether it was a double movement or not (incidentally this is what most of the Australians are discussing). Being honest I think we got the run of the green there but there is an argument to say the defenders helped him over the line.
The no try at the end - Correct decision under the rules, VR had no choice as it was sent up as a no try. If it was sent up as a try it would have been given as there was no real evidence either way. If we are going to force the ref to guess then as a sport we have to accept sometimes he will guess. Fields arms we’re certainly under the ball so it was not an unreasonable decision.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I don’t understand the opinion that Wardle doesn’t get it to the line. He absolutely does but the question mark is if it’s a double movement or not to get it there. He drags it in towards him but the try happened right in front of us and the ref sent it up as a try because his view is initially blocked and he runs around the bodies and can then see it is on the line at that point. Hand on heart, I wouldn’t be happy if that was given against us but all this talk of him not getting it on the line at all is wrong.'"
100% all the social media stills are from when he gets pushed back.
He absolutely gets it to the line and there’s a fair chance the tip of the ball was touching a blade of grass.
The bitterness is amazing, just shows the level Wigan are at. The jealousy is insane.
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| Quote ="NSW"100% all the social media stills are from when he gets pushed back.
He absolutely gets it to the line and there’s a fair chance the tip of the ball was touching a blade of grass.
The bitterness is amazing, just shows the level Wigan are at. The jealousy is insane.'"
The same people saying he didn’t get it to the line are saying they could see May did get the ball down in that last second incident (there is literally no camera angle in existence that showed that).
It’s been heart warming reading all the bitterness today, it really has. I am a bit disappointed that Robbie Rich Wolf Curry Mon hasn’t been on with his congratulations though.
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| Quote ="Stu M"
What I find nauseating now is the comments that Peet is coming out with. I was a big supporter of him initially, a talented young English coach who spoke the truth.
However now it seems that only his players are mates with each other, only his club does community work, only Wigan players are in the trenches with each other. It’s as though no other SL club has a winning culture and it’s starting to grate.
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When has Peet said Wigan are the only club to do such things ?
He’s often praised saints for being a similar club to us with regards youth etc.
You’ve been coming on here for years telling us how good saints/Welsby are, many of us have agreed but you wouldn’t give Wigan an ounce of credit for defending for their lives for 80mins against a brilliant team with several players missing.
The occasion last night dwarfed the preseaon challenge game from the year before and you know that.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"What you should have said is "well done", or even a "well stuck at". Instead you've peddled the same BS that's floating around on Twitter and still want to keep talking about last year.
I'll always stick by my comments - your win last year was good and something to be proud of. This year was harder. I don't expect you to agree, but to not even say well played is laughable.'"
That was what Jamie Peacock said
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| Quote ="hatty"Try going to Brisbane with no pack and winning the game hands down, then you can come on here lauding about Saints win, a win that Penrith admitted that they never took seriously. Now go and toddle off back to Redvee. I’m loving the fact that Saints fans are almost crying, I’m loving the fact that in the space of six months we’ve taken both the grand final and world club trophies from you. Did I mention that I’m loving it
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That’s one of the nicest photographs I have ever seen of St Helens.
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| Quote ="Stu M"Again.. why call out Saints fans for not being on here and then jump in mob handed to disagree?
Did you seriously think that I was going to come on and congratulate you like some of the other clubs fans have done?
I doubt anyone would’ve jumped up at Dodds DG last year and I fully understand that. Wigan want Saints to lose every game unless it benefits Wigan and vice versa.
I wouldn’t have it any other way. You can still respect the club, fan base, youth production etc at the same time. The 2 things aren’t mutually exclusive.'"
I have to be honest Stu I didn’t jump up and down at Dodds drop goal, mind you I didn’t watch the match.
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| Quote ="Stu M"As I’ve said the only reason I’ve come on is because it was intimated I had gone missing. So I’ve given my thoughts. Quite why you are seeking my validation I’ve no idea. It’s in the history books as a Wigan win despite the controversy.
What I find nauseating now is the comments that Peet is coming out with. I was a big supporter of him initially, a talented young English coach who spoke the truth.
However now it seems that only his players are mates with each other, only his club does community work, only Wigan players are in the trenches with each other. It’s as though no other SL club has a winning culture and it’s starting to grate.
It actually suits in a way as we are flying hugely under the radar. There was even a poster on here that said HKR will win a Grand Final before we do again.
I just hope we can make the play offs based on that.'"
Where has Peet made these comments? For me, he can say what he likes he has done it all in a very short period of time. The reality is he has nothing else to play for unless he becomes England coach. For what it is worth, I can only see Wigan or Saints winning the GF.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The same people saying he didn’t get it to the line are saying they could see May did get the ball down in that last second incident
(there is literally no camera angle in existence that showed that).
It’s been heart warming reading all the bitterness today, it really has. I am a bit disappointed that Robbie Rich Wolf Curry Mon hasn’t been on with his congratulations though.'"
Mate, I am not sure that he will be I am sure I saw him floating face down in the River Douglas last night.
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| Quote ="Stu M"Really not sure why anyone would think a Saints fan would’ve been on here last night.
I deliberately kept off as I knew emotions would be high and posters having had a few scoops.
The fact remains that the Wardle try was the biggest impact on the game. There is no way he got the ball over the line. Strangely just after Kendall said he’d viewed all available angles the next replay showed it was short.
Not sure how Moore can categorically give that as a try but not the May one at the end. FWIW I didn’t think that was a try either but it’s still strange that Moore gave one without the other. I’m not at all surprised that the Aussies are going mad.
I actually think this could be the end of the WCC as a concept. I’d be very surprised if their champions travel here again with an English ref.
You’ll all cite sour grapes but you can’t accuse Saints fans of not coming on and then just tear apart what they say.
And the poster that said any other SL would’ve conceded 50 against Penrith last night is laughable. Clearly forgotten about a certain team that won it in Australia without having played a SL game first.'"
It is likely that the WCC will be in Las Vegas next year.
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| Quote ="Zig"It is likely that the WCC will be in Las Vegas next year.'"
I could see that happening. Another thing that has made me giggle since we won on Saturday is the notion that 'the WCC won't happen again' and the 'Aussies won't want to come over here ever again' after the controversy.
What do you think makes the WCC stronger as a concept, Saturday's occasion or the pre-season challenge as it was labelled last year? FWIW, last year's WCC attendance was the lowest since 2000.
Saturday night was a huge win for rugby league; you only need to see how much Fox Sports are dissecting it.
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| Phil Gould (obviously) and Greg Alexander both saying the ball was short of the line and ending their argument there. I think guys like that are failing to acknowledge the ball does get to the line because they then wouldn't know how to complain about a robbery. Is it a double movement? that's the decision but he doesn't lift his arm and normally the attackers body is behind the ball and not in front, so the ball slides in towards Wardles body and there is an argument to say it's the defenders force that moves it. It was a very unusual occurrence and one that I cannot remember any examples to compare it to.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Phil Gould (obviously) and Greg Alexander both saying the ball was short of the line and ending their argument there. I think guys like that are failing to acknowledge the ball does get to the line because they then wouldn't know how to complain about a robbery. Is it a double movement? that's the decision but he doesn't lift his arm and normally the attackers body is behind the ball and not in front, so the ball slides in towards Wardles body and there is an argument to say it's the defenders force that moves it. It was a very unusual occurrence and one that I cannot remember any examples to compare it to.'"
When I watched it a couple of times on the big screen live I said double movement. Still think that's probably right with Wardle dragging the ball into his body as opposed to promoting the ball away from the body as you usually see. But the decision wasn't what was probably right - the video ref needed evidence that the original decision was definitively wrong.
As for Liam Moore's original decision, I heard one pundit (maybe James Graham) say he made an assumption...but that's the rule. Refs have to make a decision one way or the other even if they don't have a clue.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"When I watched it a couple of times on the big screen live I said double movement. Still think that's probably right with Wardle dragging the ball into his body as opposed to promoting the ball away from the body as you usually see. But the decision wasn't what was probably right - the video ref needed evidence that the original decision was definitively wrong.
As for Liam Moore's original decision, I heard one pundit (maybe James Graham) say he made an assumption...but that's the rule. Refs have to make a decision one way or the other even if they don't have a clue.'"
Ref shouldn't have given it as a try then really. In fact, this needs to stop immediately in my opinion and any VR decision for a try, then the VR decides and the VR only.
It just creates a 'cop out' because of the on field decision. If you don't know. just pass it up and hold them accountable.
My opinion ? I thought Wigan were fantastic, and the brilliant defense won them the game. Wardles try was never a try in the memory of man. The Penrith try on 80 mins had more chance of being allowed but there is no way I can discredit a side from that type of performance. It was magnificent. Take your luck and enjoy the ride !!
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| I've watched that bloke in a bar podcast and they speak loads of sense, so fair play to them for that but they do also speak some nonsense regarding the referring. Questioning why he would send up the Wardle one as a try and the May one as a no try is bonkers. He does that because he can see the ball on the line for Wardle one and you can't see the ball down at any point for the May one. They're just facts and it's the VR who should get the stick for the Wardle one.
All the talk of Field and French being great worries me greatly! Even talk of Harvie Hill being somebody to target. It's the price you pay I guess but we'll need to do what we can to fight off any raids on these lads.
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| Quote ="Snowy"Ref shouldn't have given it as a try then really. In fact, this needs to stop immediately in my opinion and any VR decision for a try, then the VR decides and the VR only.
It just creates a 'cop out' because of the on field decision. If you don't know. just pass it up and hold them accountable.
My opinion ? I thought Wigan were fantastic, and the brilliant defense won them the game. Wardles try was never a try in the memory of man. The Penrith try on 80 mins had more chance of being allowed but there is no way I can discredit a side from that type of performance. It was magnificent. Take your luck and enjoy the ride !!'"
I can't change my opinion because we've benefitted from it, the ref sending it up as a try/no try should've been binned ages ago. If they had sent up the 2 decisions without a try/no try call hanging over them I think they both get given as no trys tbh but I think we deserved a bit of luck as you say.
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| Quote ="Jason65"He is only talking about what his guys are doing and how the culture has changed from almost to being winners,surely he is allowed that.I will let him know that he is beginning to grate on you,I am sure he will be upset at the thought.
One point I do agree is that Wardle's try wasnt over the line it was infact on the line dragged over by the Penrith player.
You will make the playoffs maybe 3rd as I predicted last year.'"
Don't try to reason with Stu M. He's upset because Peet doesn't keep mentioning Saints and concentrates on his own players instead, unlike Wellens who constantly mentions Wigan when their team wins.
Oh, wait a minute....
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| Anything Phil Gould says can be dismissed out of hand. He despises British RL and always has.
It's disappointing to hear the more considered Brandy getting in on the act, but then he was a Penrith star in his day, so it's probably a struggle for him to be objective.
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| As an aside, wasn't it good to hear Frano Botica and Martin Offiah referring to Wigan as "we" on the BBC coverage. Once a Wiganer, always a Wiganer
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| Quote ="Snowy"Ref shouldn't have given it as a try then really. In fact, this needs to stop immediately in my opinion and any VR decision for a try, then the VR decides and the VR only.
It just creates a 'cop out' because of the on field decision. If you don't know. just pass it up and hold them accountable.
My opinion ? I thought Wigan were fantastic, and the brilliant defense won them the game. Wardles try was never a try in the memory of man. The Penrith try on 80 mins had more chance of being allowed but there is no way I can discredit a side from that type of performance. It was magnificent. Take your luck and enjoy the ride !!'"
I tend to agree about the rule that the on field ref has to express a view either way. But just as he doesn't know he has scored, he doesn't know he hasn't either so he has to guess at what he thinks is most likely.
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| Quote ="NSW"When has Peet said Wigan are the only club to do such things ?
He’s often praised saints for being a similar club to us with regards youth etc.
You’ve been coming on here for years telling us how good saints/Welsby are, many of us have agreed but you wouldn’t give Wigan an ounce of credit for defending for their lives for 80mins against a brilliant team with several players missing.
The occasion last night dwarfed the preseaon challenge game from the year before and you know that.'"
Weren't you the guy who dismissed our 4 in a row as "Covid" titles and the fact we played a lot of games at home (despite no crowds) ? I don't recall a "well done" from you for doing something that no one else in the summer salary capped era has ever done.
Yet you expect me to come on here and congratulate our biggest rival after a contentious winning try that the whole of RL bar Wigan fans say was never a try in a million years?
I was big enough to come on here last night and again this morning after being predictably hammered for my view. Its hardly like I'm referring to something that no one else has brought up.
Finally its hardly like I am constantly anti-Wigan anyway. I was on here immediately after seeing Farrimond for the first time at scholarship level to say he was a superstar in the making. I congratulated Wigan for the classy Roby video. I've applauded some innovative inititatives you have done off the field. Hell I even gave mitigation for the Academy SF debacle because I knew the full story.
So I'm hardly a bitter sad troll (not saying you have said those words btw)
Was I jealous of Wigan being there and not Saints? Of course I was as was every other fan. However I get to watch a brilliant side with my boys in a fantastic modern stadium watching outstanding English players that have come through our Academy system and have watched us win enough trophies to last me a lifetime when all fans with the exception of Wigan and Leeds would love to be in our position.
I'm pretty happy with my RL fix to be honest.
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